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Oh geeez. <rolling my eyes> I think you & "hmmm" are the same person. I know who I am for crying out loud. Arguing with you is like hitting you with a bat while you hold no weapon. Hell, you won’t even put up your arms to defend yourself, you’re too busy keeping your fingers in your ears.

Thanks StressedToo. You proved another point I made. You ARE a heartless a__s/pig. Only an evil SOB would "laugh your a__s off" at another person's pain. I pray to God that you never experience such pain. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Dang, I feel sorry for your wife. (God help her if she has a thought of her own, eh? You're something else.) By the way, as for me being the coward & pathetic … I sign my name. Do you? I told you where you could find me & my profile on the support group. And you say *I'm* the coward? LOL There is nothing “stress” related in my life … too bad you can’t say the same “stressedtoo”. BTW, there is always a first time one cheats … careful what you wish on others. What goes around comes around. Good luck with that.

"I feel sorry for your wife. (God help her if she has a thought of her own, eh? " UH? Where did that come from? Where have I said ANYTHING close to this? I respect my wife very much, but if you mean thoughts about cheating then yeah, those should be off limits to her, me and anyone else in a healthy relationship. "There is nothing “stress” related in my life" A cheating husband is nothing stress related? Right! You are living in denial. I have many issues that cause me stress, life is full of stressfull issues, if absolutely nothing stresses you out then you are probably catatonic. "careful what you wish on others. What goes around comes around. Good luck with that." Where have I wished for this to happen to anyone? Please quote me. I said that its is more probably than not that once a cheater always a cheater, your husband already cheated on you once (or more, I don't know and probably you don't know either) so I say that is very likely that he will cheat again. That is far from wishing it to hapen, I just said that when, if it happens, I would like the chance to say "I told you so", and it would cause me to smile after you calling me an a__s and some other names. If my wife ever cheated on me (and I found out) I know exactly what I would do, I would walk away and never look back. And this from a guy that adores his wife. But as I have stated previously, I give 100% to this relationship, I deman NOTHING less. There are no excuses for cheating, no justifications whatsoever, its not a mistake, its a choice taken by someone that is breaking the trust and in my opinion the whole meaning of the relationship.

You want a quote? Here's your quote, ASS! "Too bad I won't know when your husband cheats again (perhaps you will not know either) because I would love to laugh my a__s off while saying "I told you so"."

"Why what I have to say puts his panties in a SUCH bunch is beyond me." LOL! I believe you are the one getting all worked out about this. I'm not bothered by your responces, you are an individual and I understand that your believes are valid to you. What it seems that is not clear to you is that MY BELIEVES are valid to me, you seem to be stuck on changing my points of view. I don't aspire such a thing, if you thing that a post in a web site from somebody I will never meet in real life will change my life (or yours) you have this thing all wrong. I'm sharing my opinions, not trying to shove them down your throat. I have MANY times posted that what I say is valid to ME, from my experiences, from my observation. Where have I said that you should change your opinions? I said that if you think you are right then more power to you. You won't bait me into falling to your level and start the name calling and offensive posting.

"You want a quote? Here's your quote, ASS! "Too bad I won't know when your husband cheats again (perhaps you will not know either) because I would love to laugh my a__s off while saying "I told you so"." " Perhaps your reading comprehension is a bit off... What I said is nothing close to saying that I WISH it happens to you, I said I wish I KNEW when it happens.

Like I said ... you are something else.

I get "all worked up", as you call it, because your idea is so black & white, not to mention negative. It's not realistic. I know I'm not going to change your mind. Not trying to. I’m really speaking to those out there that need HOPE & need advice from someone that actually knows what they are talking about. Someone they can relate to because this person has actually lived & breathed what they are currently going through. That’s all. And you don’t want to fall to MY level? Bahahahhahaa! Good one.

All this proves is that Stressed is a very opinionated person who bases his knowledge on personal expierences - honestly? Get to know other people because you can't possibly lump sum everyone and every situation into the same catagory - oops, you already did that. Which only shows how closed minded you really are. This post is dead.

"I get "all worked up", as you call it, because your idea is so black & white, not to mention negative. It's not realistic.". So you are saying that the live close hand experiences I have is not realistic? LOL! Oh, and probably "sir write" is also you posting with a different screen name to validate yourself. I never said I'm not opinionated, I strongly believe in what I have posted because I have seen it prove itself time and time again. I strongly believe that people that put up with cheaters have low self esteem I will go to the extreme and say I find them pathetic. If someone I have deposited all my trust in is able to hurt me on purpose I will get that someone as far away as possible from my life, its not worth it. I have stated what my OPINIONS are, I have said numerous times that I post on what I have seen, experience has taught me that cheaters will cheat again. If the evidence of 10 out of 10 cases I have seen at very close range is something I should dismiss then perhaps thats the logic I fail to understand. I have also talked to hundreds of men through the years, the majority of them are repeat cheaters (as confessed by them). I stopped going out with my friends because most of them would not pa__s on an oportunity to hook up with any girl available and I'm talking about married guys. Even though most of this hundreds of men are not my close friends and I don't know the details about their relationships, what I do know is that many of them would even brag about their "girlfriends". I guess I should also dimiss this information because it goes against what you believe. Lets see if I can make this clear to you: I believe there are two types of cheaters: 1. Those who see nothing morally wrong with cheating. 2. Those who do see something morally wrong with cheating but still find an excuse to cheat. Out of this two types the first one are helpless and will continue to live their lives like that. The second group is different, sometimes they will end the affairs on their own because their concience will not let them live in peace, some others will get caught. Of those that get caught a small number will seek help and actually commit to their relationships for good, the rest will probably feel guilty for a while but will eventually find another excuse to cheat. Maybe I'm wrong in my observations, but a__suming that I'm right, this will mean that the MAJORITY OF CHEATERS WILL CHEAT AGAIN. Except for your husband who will never cheat again, after all you spent thousands of dollars making sure it wouldn't happen again!

Dude, you are beyond sad. I didn't write anything I didn’t sign my name to. You see, I've told you MY name(s) ... you can't. (Remind me again … who’s the coward? I forget.) Besides, why the hell would I bother? I don't need what I’ve been talking about validated by anyone else because what I say already has been doc_mented & validated for years by zillions of other people ... people that have experienced infidelity. Fortunately, you have NOT. (Knock on wood.) If you’d remove your head from your a__s long enough to check the truth out, maybe, just maybe you’d realize that too. But you won’t. I spoke earlier about feeling sorry for your wife. I said that because of your att_tude, your stubbornness, your thick-headedness & your NEED to be RIGHT no matter what the cost. It’s nauseating. The smartest thing you have said so far was in your last post. You said: "Maybe I'm wrong in my observations ... and ... MAJORITY OF CHEATERS WILL CHEAT AGAIN. ..." Huh? YA THINK??? YOU? WRONG? And what is this??? ----> Now it's the just the "majority" & not "ALL"? LOL Well, *I* don't have to say contradict myself or say "maybe I'm wrong" because ... WELL ... I'm not. :)

I am not, nor pretend to be anyone else on this post but myself. A gentleman who was cheated on by my lovely wife. i have been following this post and decided to not share my story, as it would only go over your head, Stressed, but thought I would comment on how you are wrong. You can't judge everyone's expierences based on your personal knowledge. Your knowledge is very limited by your own admission - aunt's, friend's, other family members.. To include what? A few reports you find on the internet? I'm afraid you will never see how big the world really is until you get your head out of your a$$ and open up your closed mind. You offered an opinion - leave it at that - you truely are not the world traveler head shrink that can go around fixing peoples problems. Especially since you are limited to only your own expierences.. You are limited yet have called it fact. That is nothing but c___p. There are always two sides to every story - two views to every debate - to stand there and say you are right is stupid. You who have SEEN others, but not have LIVED it are first to pa__s judgement? How dare you? Because you can IMAGINE what it would feel like? Whoopie for you.. What right do you have? This post is dead as the original poster would have chosen to do whatever it is by now. The debate, although interesting, is ludacris against someone who is not willing to listen - only to sit on a high horse and judge.

What I find amazing is this man has nothing better to do than to hang out in a pregnancy forum demeaning a pregnant woman that has obviously been through hell and back. All she is trying to get across is that sometimes a marriage can survive an affair & she is able to speak it from experience. Yet this man, who admittedly never has experienced it himself & never once mentioned a sole he knew of that had the courage to put forth the commitment & dedication, seeking professional help (which doesn’t come free, by the way) in order to save a marriage she and her husband thought was worth saving. This “man” only wishes he could find out “when” her husband cheats again so he can “laugh his a__s off” & say “I told you so”. She is not the pathetic one here, StressedToo is.

"Especially since you are limited to only your own expierences." As opposed to what? I can only make conclusions based on my observations, it would be pretty stupid to make conclusion based on yours. If 10 close hand experiences PLUS hundreds of not so close but close enough experiences are what you calle limited, then yeah, I have no clue what I'm talking about. I need to interview 6 billion people to make sure I have a valid enough sample! "There are always two sides to every story - two views to every debate - to stand there and say you are right is stupid." LOL! I have only said that I stand by my opinions, I don't hold the truth, neither do you. "only to sit on a high horse and judge." I have said what I would do, if you feel that you need to do something different do it, to ME it is the stupid thing to do, but again, that is only TO ME. "She is not the pathetic one here, StressedToo is." Hmmm... Lets see, am I the one who got cheated on and still wouldn't have the courage to value myself and move away from someone who HURTED ME ON PURPOSE? I think that it is pathetic to be worth so little to yourself. What exactly is there to salvage from a relationship in where one of the partners is willing to hurt the other in something that should be VERY important for both? I'm usually very empathetic and I don't wish sorrow to anyone, but if someone calls me an a__s and what not, then I really stop feeling the empathy and will take the high ground and gladly will say "I told you so" when/if I'm proven to be right. I value my wife and myself equaly, I love her with all my heart. But if she decides to cheat on me, which would be something she would do knowing that she will hurt me, then at that point I will value myself A LOT MORE and kick her out of my life. If someone will purposely hurt you, does he/she loves you enough? Is it worth "saving"? What exactly is worth "saving"? You people seem like you need to validate your decision of staying with someone that hurt you. Trust something that is never earned back 100%, in the back of your head there will always be a voice that says: "be careful, this sucker hurt you once before!" Do you want to live like that? Is that type of relationship what you try to save?. Call me an a__s, pathetic, stupid, stubborn, whatever!

Oh, and I forgot: "A gentleman who was cheated on by my lovely wife. " Yup, very lovely!

Thanks guys. Nice try but I don’t think anyone will ever get through this guy’s thick skull. I think I figured out why too! Kinda sad really. I wondered what the big deal was & why he couldn’t give me even a fraction of an inch and something like, “Well, maybe it will work for you. I wish you luck.” & drop it. Here’s the deal: StressedToo can’t begin to try & wish someone else some happiness because he’s JEALOUS. He needs some serious mental help/counseling. He’s super p__sed because (he said) his own daddy was a cheater. Daddy couldn’t keep his pecker in his pants & be faithful to his mommy. If his mommy & daddy couldn’t make it, then by God, NO ONE WILL ELSE CAN MAKE IT EITHER! Makes sense, doesn’t it? That is why he is dead set on being "right". That is why he cannot see any other side. He’s p__sed that his daddy didn’t care enough about HIM to even TRY & work it out with his mommy. (I’m not going to do that to my children & neither is my husband.) His family was broken & he thinks everyone should RUN AWAY instead of trying. Maybe daddy didn’t think he was special enough? And “What a JERK”, I didn’t even think about that. Not one of those people he talked about as his reference ever TRIED to save the marriage. Some of them didn’t even get caught. (So those shouldn’t even get counted in the first place.) Of course THEY cheated again! Nothing changed. No demands were made. No new boundaries were set. No professional help was sought after. No one TRIED to work on anything. Poor set of examples = Poor outcome. I’m done trying to crack some light into his thinking. Little boy Stressed is stuck in his childhood & can’t be man enough to wish others happiness. He only wishes he could “laugh his a__s off” at someone’s PAIN & tell them “I told you so”. His excuse for that was … “Well SHE called me an ASS first!!!” Poor thing. Just like a little boy. Here’s a clue, StressedToo, act like an ASS, get called an ASS. Then he claims he is “taking the high road”? Excuse me? Since when is laughing at someone’s pain taking the high road? The dude contradicts himself left & right. He is the pathetic one. And I’m over it.