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I am not saying I am going to do this or not going to do this. I just want to leave my options open. You are correct in saying Canada has a good health care system. However it is good and very slow. I have been waiting 6 weeks for an appointment to see a specialist and there is a 6 month waiting list. I just today asked my doctor to refer me to a city about 3 hours away because I know I can get in there in a couple of months. The risks of taking u/p clomid is going to be the same if my doctor prescribes it which I know they will when I finally get in to see them and have the other tests done. Once again I thank you very much babs6219 for letting me know that there is options out there if need be. As I told my family doctor, I am not getting any younger and am getting tired of waiting.

You are so very welcome! I hope that at least a bit of the information you've received is helpful....and taht you're staring at a BFP very soon! Good luck!

In response to the question posed about whether any tripletmoms on this forum saw 3 follicles, my answer is this: the first time I got pregnant (using under the supervision of a dr.), we saw about 10 follicles, 5 of which were mature enough for ovulation. Understanding the risks involved, we went ahead and concieved ONE baby. Unfortunately I miscarried and decided to try again. the next time, we only saw 3 follicles and 2 looked viable the other one not so much. We went ahead and got pregnant w/triplets. So as you can see, it can go either way. I concieved ONE baby when I had more mature follicles, and 3 when I had less.

Thanks for answering my question Tripletmom, and I'm sorry for your loss. I keep wondering why a few of the ladies (esp. some with triplets) keep saying that by taking clomid u/p women are putting unborn children at risk. It seems to me that EVERYONE taking clomid, prescribed or u/p has the same risk. You had the situation with more follicles and less babies and vice versa, Corona had hyperstimulation...all this WITH monitoring. How are women taking clomid u/p MORE at risk? The same things take place with or w/o a prescription. Monitoring doesn't actually STOP anything from happening.

NO, it doesn't stop things from happening, but it DOES catch when something is happening before it gets to a potentially life threatening situation.

I must agree Tripletmom... Although I think the risks are not huge, they do still exist, so of course it's BETTER, if at all possible, to take the med with complete monitoring. But some women don't have access to that complete medical care, so I suppose each person has to weigh the risks vs. the benefits of taking clomid u/p and make an educated decision for themselves. Thanks for your feedback.

Corona...I hope your C-section went well, and that your twins are happy, healthy, and thriving! :) I look forward to hearing about how that went for you (and them) whenever you have time to let us know (which may not be for a long, long time! ;)

I don't really care why people take/obtain Clomid without a prescription. Why do you? Do you work for a pharmaceutical company? Are you with the DEA? Don't you have some borders to patrol? Many people are able to obtain a diagnosis for their fertility problems only to confirm no insurance coverage for treatments. Many people (working people) have no insurance. Even people with insurance, often can't afford to use it. There is no big mystery here. Did you know the US is one of the few (maybe only) countries where there is no regulations or laws that prevent or monitor drug prices set by drug companies. The same drugs you buy in this country almost always cost $$$$ more here than you would pay for the same drug in another country. Furthermore, the drugs you buy "here" are likely made overseas anyway. I had/have no fertility problems. I have friends who do. They have great insurance and still had to refi their homes and/or take out loans to pay for the drugs and treatments. I don't ask them why they don't just save their money and adopt one of the many children available in this country or overseas-because it is none of my business. Leave these people alone. They sound worried enough.

Well said LadyL, well said. To add to that, there's a great disparity in the healthcare system in the US. Good healthcare in the US is a commodity...something that is bought and sold. You can obtain good healthcare if you have the big bucks...and you will need BIG bucks, because not only are the drugs some of the most expensive ANYWHERE, so is medical treatment! While a person can obtain treatment for some conditions inexpensively, often times the line is drawn when treatment gets too expensive - even when you HAVE insurance. There's LOTS of red tape and hoops you'll need to jump through, sometimes even to get treatment for CANCER covered! So for infertility treatment - forget it (for many - not all - insurance companies)! I guess having children is considered 'optional' to the HMOs. It's no wonder that people feel the need to take matters into their own hands where their health and/or fertility is concerned. It's seems kind of harsh to me when people judge others for doing so, because THEY were fortunate enough to have their infertility treatments covered. What should the less fortunate do?...just forsake having a family because they can't afford inflated healthcare prices? I'm not an advocate for braking the (unfair) law of not being able to buy meds (cheaper) from out of the country - although I believe that law is only in place to prevent $$$ from leaving the country - NOT in order to protect the citizens. But a lot of the online pharmacies, within the US, will PROVIDE the prescriptions making the purchase of (non-narcotic) drugs legal. While this isn't as ideal as being fully monitored, it may be the only way for many people to be able to take clomid and thus enhance their chance of having a family.

Wow, Ladyl, you haven't priced adoption, have you? The financial reasons still don't ring true to me, ladies. I've done 3 out-of-pocket (unsuccessful) cycles of clomid. It wasn't very expensive. This was back in 2001-2002 so maybe the prices were drastically different then, but I think I paid $50-100 for the clomid. Even my injectible medicines and treatments that I paid for to get pregnant with my triplets were a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of raising multiples. My pregnancy and my babies time in the NICU came out at well over a million dollars. Luckily it was paid almost entirely by insurance. While I agree with you that fertility treatments SHOULD be covered and the healthcare system in the US is lacking, that doesn't mean women should take the health of their potential children in their hands. And if you look back at these posts, you'll see a lot of women WITHOUT fertility problems taking clomid for purely selfish reasons.

Amen, yetanother!!

I think I was misunderstood on one point. When I said I didn't ask my friend why she elected to forgo adoption in favor of fertility treatment, I didn't meant to imply that I thought she should. I was providing an example of the type of intrusive question that is inappropriate. That being said, in reply to the statement about the price of adoption, I am familiar with the costs of private domestic and international adoptions. I have several friends who have gone both routes. I also have a friend who went through the local public adoption process...which is free. The trade off is the age and race of the children available. Again, a personal choice as to which option to pursue.

LadyL, you are so well spoken! It's a joy to read your posts! You actually make SENSE! yetanothertriplet mom...since you haven't looked into the full costs of clomid lately...let me illuminate you. In my area, the ultrasound ( for full monitoring) costs 250.00, and there are at least two a month. Texas is not a state that mandates infertility coverage, so all of your visit, bloodwork ( 4-6 times a month) aren't covered. I see no reason to pay at least a thousand dollars extra a month, when I KNOW CLOMID WORKS FOR ME, and this is almost exactly how I've done it before. And for the record, every time that someone undergoes infertility a__sistance, they're " taking the lives of their future children in their hands". What I can't figure out is why it's really anyone's business why we take it....mamabeans said she" was just trying to understand" in the OP. If that's the case, why is it acceptable to insult us? And I can't tell you how sorry I am that your triplets were born so early, and that your medical bills were so high. However, babies don't have to be multiples or premies to accrue huge bills! My oldest daughter was full term and almost nine lbs....she was born with several congenital problems, and had two surgeries before she was able to come home at almost three months. Her bill ( obviously, before insurance) was almost $300,000.00. Things can, and do go wrong all the time...for any or no reasons. With or without monitoring...

Babies are born with problems all the time. You're absolutely right. I happen to be pregnant right now. I might as well drink alcohol and shoot up heroin since there's a chance the baby could be born with defects no matter what I do. I can't imagine that's what you really meant by your post. As a responsible mother, your job is to do everything within reason to safeguard the health of your children. Taking foolish risks for selfish reasons isn't taking that job seriously.

That's what not what I said, that's not what I implied, and choosing to interpret it that way would be awful! Now, to clarify..Pregnant women, and women who are trying to TTC, or who may become pregnant...should take excellent care of themselves. Taking Clomid ( with or without monitoring) really can't be compared to shooting up or drinking. Again....choosing to have another child should hardly be considered selfish, and the put downs really need to stop. And I don't know about other readers/posters, but I don't appreciate having my job as a mother defined by someone else. It's, at best, inappropriate and condescending. I'd like to have a civil conversation with some of you....and in that light, I would never deign to inform any of you, what you should or should not do in your reproductive choices, or to tell you what your job as a mother might be. And yet anothertripletmom, I wasn't aware you were expecting. I hope you have a h&h nine months ( or whatever remains of that time period), and an easy pregnancy.

Well today I again got a BFN and went straight to my GP. Again he refused me any help so I orderd my Clomid online. Yes i have researched and brought myself a bp monitor. Is it so wrong to want a baby? There's a mad out cry here about u/p clomid but another thread where a women wants to have selective reduction with TWINS has hardly no response. Why when both, as you all claim can put the unborn baby at risk.