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Kris, you laugh and make jokes and make light of what i say, its not funny at all that your kids yell that they hate you, because i never yelled that to my parents and when i was a kid i took care of my own cleaning, my father pa__sed away when i was only 17 so i was doing the majority of the house hold chores. Obviously your kids are misbehaved, mabye you should quit working at the navy so you can be there to guide them. When my wife was a kid she was also a clean person, always had her room tidy and her laundry done, i dont understand why your kids dont keep up their chores. mabye you should punish them when they dont clean up their rooms etc. my parents used to take all my dirty clothes if i didnt do my laundry in a timely manor and take them to a professional dry cleaner and i would have to pay the 100 dollars or so charge for all the clothes being cleaned just to get my clothing back. I learned quick to do my laundry. Do you let your kids get away with alot? if so you need to lay down the law. Kids can be kids but it shouldnt be abused, i had a happy childhood but i also had responsibility i was also mature. even at 13 i wasnt a messy person. i detest messy things, i hate living in filth, which is why i cleaned when i was younger, teach your kids to have pride in your home and not to be so lazy, dont do their laundry, dont clean their rooms, do what my parents did, take them to a cleaner and make them pay the bill to get it out. That tought me quick let me tell you that. I never left my laundry un-finished again. I dont think its a laughing matter im not dumb i can tell your sarcasm in all this, as i said, if your kids are that big of a pain, then get on them and punish them, teach them to be responsible young men/women. Dont let them go out if their room is left in filth. Make them do the dishes sometimes have a nice routine. My parents used to have a shedule mondays and wed. my mom would do the dishes. tuesdays and thursdays i would do them. and fridays sat. and some sundays my dad would do them when he got home from work you need to have a cohesive family, not out of control kids. not saying your kids are, but from the sounds of it they are a bit wild and that will only continue when they get into their late teens. just some food for thought.

Tom, Just because your parents were strict on you doesnt mean you have to be strict on others.That doesnt make them out of control if they dont want to do housework.Some teens will react differently to what was good for you.As you paid the bill, the other teen would probably get upset and decide that if you dont pay for the clothes and they are lost then you will have to pay for them more clothes.I think that would have been my reaction but im not a bad teen.She wasnt making jokes of anything, she thought you and Bobby were funny.Yall think our lives are easy but you all dont know the half of it.I dont think men can handle staying at home with a baby.There was a study that proved men die faster then women when they are the stay at home parent.I dont think you guys are telling the whole story as to why your wives and girlfriends are yelling all the time.You had to have done something to upset her.I dont think you are all so innocent.

HAha yeah you wanna know what i did wrong today? I got yelled at after working a 12 hour shift, i left this morning at 6 and i didnt get home till about an hour ago, and my wife was screaming at me because i didnt use the right cycle on the washing machine for our clothes, she hasnt talked to me all night because of that, i came home after work yesterday and i loaded all the laundry for my wife and i still got yelled at, you call that doing something wrong? You call that being "not innocent"? Let me explain this, women are out of their minds when they are pregnant, their men are the sc_m of the earth no matter what we do, I could hit the lotto tomorrow and have more money than bill gates, i could come home, tell my wife the great news and she would shine it on and yell at me for not properly making the kids bed, which she has yelled at me before for not doing up to her "standards" bottom line, women go crazy on their men no matter what they do, there is no husband on this earth that contributes like i do with my marriage and my babies and guess what? i still get an earfull, it doesnt make a d__n bit of difference. The absolute worst i do is i ask my wife to speak to me like a human being and not relegate me to an animal, which she does more times than i can count for the stupidist things. If you call washing all the clothes for your wife after you get off from a long days work and then getting yelled at anyway as being not innocent? then yeah, i guess im not. lol sheesh, get a grip please.

Men die quicker anyway preggo, my dad died when i was 17 of a stroke and the man was only 45! he didnt stay at home with the kids he worked his buns off, and he still died at a young age, he was a plumber and spent pretty much all day doing houses in the worst conditions imaginable look im tired of arguing over this you arent going to change your mind and im not trying to, im trying to let you know that working all the time isnt easy either and i still say i'd rather stay home with the kids than work, sorry but i would, i enjoy my home, i love my home, i love being at home, even if i have to deal with kids screaming and all the baggage, i feel alot more comfy at my house i get home from work and then i take over my wifes job, so as im sitting here saying i work and come home, i really dont rest, i let her go to sleep and i deal with the kids and i honestly dont mind it, i like housework i always have, i dont mind it because i take pride in my home if thats to hard for you to believe then thats on you, not all men are sloppy arrogant pigs that could give a c___p less about their homes, I am a family man in every respect of the t_tle, and Bobby is absolutely right, i get yelled at to bobby for things like that, actually one time and i swear this is the truth, i brough my wife home some red roses, a dozen with baby breath, at first she was like happy, um for 5 seconds, she had asked me to take the car when i got off work and get the oil changed because it was due for a changing, i told my wife i stayed late at the office, i was exausted and i had the next day off anyway so i was planning to take it then you wanna know what she did? she took the flowers threw them to the ground and yelled YOU NEVER LISTEN TO A THING I SAY I SWEAR!!! She then burst into tears and stormed upstairs..60 dollar roses destroyed and all that drama over not changing the oil and waiting a day because i wanted to do it the next day on my day off, guess im not innocent afterall eh bob.

And preggo im not saying kris's kids are out of control because they dont want to do housework, some kids arent into that and thats fine, but yelling I HATE YOU! to your parents is unacceptable and i think that const_tutes kids that are a little wild, it has jack to do with cleaning.

Oh and by the way, i did the oil the next day and it took a whole 20 minutes to do, so all that drama over a 20 minute oil change.

$60 for a dozen roses?Where the hell do you live?Its like $12.99 for a dozen here in texas lol.Bobby, if your wife treats you like that then maybe you should have thought about that when you were knocking her up.Women change when they get pregnant and their patience level drops.You guys should have thought about the pros and cons about getting your wives pregnant.It will go away after the baby is born.Theres really nothing you can do now about it except wait.Tom, im not sure if this would be the case in your home but my husband procrastinates alot so he gets yelled at also for waiting to do things.If it needs to be done and its important then i yell.If its something like the trash i wouldnt really mind.An oil change is kinda important but im not sure if i would have yelled about it.Im sorry you guys have to go through all that.Sometimes i feel like my husband gets the easy part of the pregnancy because he gets to go off and work while i have to stay home.Every time we have plans something comes up but its no ones fault.I know he works hard and i appreciate it.Its just that im in the house so much and i clean it so much that when something is layed down i get frustrated because i usually end up picking it up and ive became quite a clean freak.Maybe you all didnt do nothing wrong.I cant explain why women act like that during pregnancy but im sure she doesnt mean it.I appoligize everyday to my husband because i know im going to say some pretty mean things when i go into labor and they may hurt his feelings.lol.Ive had baby before and even know i dont remember half the stuff i said i know it hurt his feelings because he was hesitant to come near me after it was all over lol.Well i hope things get better for both of you.

Bobby and Tom: Tell your wives to listen to Dr. Laura.

Well, men, Something I agree with, but something I don't: like Why do you all think that "working" its self is a "heroism"?!! What would you do if you would NOT have a wife and kids? --- STILL working! So what the difference: working for family or working anyway?

Tom, actually there was NO sarcasm in what I wrote to you... I did laugh out loud, I geniunely find you young and a bit arrogant and a little clueless on what a teenager demands of a parent. You amuse me. You cant help it, you are mid twenties and dont have a teenager. And if you will actually read what I wrote about relationships you'll see alot about mutual respect, I don't really see the problem. I said, several times, both men and women need to respect each other. Now, to your Aug 5 post... I got out of the Navy almost 10 years ago... I now work for the Navy as a govt service worker flying satellites. My daughters are all honor roll kids, are Colorado State Champions in 4H horse judging, Reserve World Champions in Horse Judging (APHA World Show) and show their horses in everything from barrel racing to showmanship to western and english events. We live on a farm and the girls can throw a 60 lb bale of alfalfa right alongside the men. They clean stalls, fill water troughs, feed morning and night before and after school, work their horses, feed the dogs, the goose, the birds, and also cheerlead, run track and crosscountry. My oldest daughter is in Air Force Junior ROTC. They are hardly wild, and are constantly moving. They ARE, however, TEENAGERS, and it isn't like they scream I hate you literally - it's a constant test, and you are right, I do lay down the law. They dont clean their rooms without CONSTANT harra__sment to do so. And I do CONSTANTLY HARASS. That's my job. And they constantly forget or get sidetracked or are more interested in being outside or with their friends that cleaning or doing their homework. That's their job. you are young yet, but will someday understand that teenagers need a lot of support and attention and one does not stop being a parent (or housekeeper) when the kid is 15, which was my point. In fact, it is at that point when you are most involved in their lives - ...drugs and s_x and risky behavior is a real danger for them. You sound a little bitter in your post, which I am sorry for, because I really did think the thread was funny and made me laugh. Maybe you could read it again without thinking anyone is attacking you, and see what we were trying to say.

The roses were 60 dollars because i bought a beautiful vase to go with them, which also got destroyed when the roses were thrown to the ground, i rarely procrastinate this is one of the few times, but i guess its all my fault in the end anyway.

Tom, i didnt say its all your fault.I dont know anyone elses situation but my own.In my case it would be my husbands fault, in your case i dont think it should have been that big a deal.Not everyoe reacts the same to problems.:) i hope things get better.lol.My mom told me i needed to hurry up and have the baby already because i had to threaten to take all my husbands money in Walmart because he wanted to waste it on the little machines when we have bills to pay lol.

I haven't posted in a few days, but I've been feeling better. I picked up my husband's trash from the floor...and put it all on his side of the bed, under the covers. He got the message. I also remembered what a b___h I was during my first pregnancy. I was terrible to him (I was mad because he got me pregnant while I was asleep...long story). This time around, I had an equal role in things, and maybe that's why I've been a little more mellow during this pregnancy. He's been the b___hy one this time...but I suppose it's his turn.

I so feel your pain here. My husband doesn't seem to understand that although I appreciate all of his work efforts and everything, my body is tired too. Just because he works (I did until less than a week ago) doesn't mean that I have to pick his socks and nasty boxers off of the floor. I have to chase around my 2 1/2 year old but he expects as soon as he gets home that he doesn't have to deal with him. He also a__sumes that because he works he can just sleep and ignore me when he's home. All I ask for is 30 minutes to an hour of cuddles a night before sleeping. And instead we argue about this for about an hour or two a night. And then he blames me for not getting any rest.

Missy, i really know what you mean. My husband is the same way.I hate touching his boxers so i sweep them off to the side and beg him to pick them up so no one else sees them. Then he picks them up.......4 days later. Yesterday however, he took me out to go shopping and out to eat. I really appreciated it and i was happy he thought about me. When we finally got home, my back hurt so bad that i asked him to rub it for a while and he tells me"baby im tired, tomorrow ill rub it".I told him it wouldnt help to rub it tomorrow if it hurt tonight and he got all uptight and told me i didnt appreciate nothing he did for me that day.Excuse the hell out me for being so unappreciative of him because that d__n back pain lol.He got mad because i laughed when we said that.I told him that for now on i promised to take the baby off when we go somewhere so my back didnt hurt but he didnt think it was funny. He promises to take Shainah and keep her company while i rest for a while so im finally going to get the sleep im deprived of and a nice long bath:) YAY.

I am glad someone else is going through it. I thought my husband was the only one that's nasty as hell. Any time I want a cuddle, intimacy, or even a "Hello Melissa" Joel's usually snoring his head off, adding more to the chaos. And when he does respond it's normally something crazy because he's dreaming about being at work. I am proud of him for working so much and being supportive but he doesn't understand money isn't everything. Sometimes a family needs support to know they are still loved.