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Listen to yourself and read your words...a woman, who's also been through hell, she chose to put herself through hell, so don't ever compare someone like that, who willing put herself through "hell" because she chose to kill her baby. I didn't kill my baby. I'm not looking for sympathy. You see the difference? I'm done with you, you are a waste of my time.

there you go again...calling her a killer now....you apologized to this woman and call her a killer on the same page, and you say you're not a phony?...get real Daisy...it's ok to be who you want to be, no need to be two faced about it, you just don't belong here...so take it to a pro-life or christian extremist site or something will you? As I've said already, this is not the place.

Here are some links for you: www.nebcathcon.org/pro_life_websites.htm www.nrlc.org/ www.prolife.com/ Giddyup.... no judging allowed here....

Daisy, I hesitated to join this fray, because I think we have gotten far afield from the original topic, but I must tell you as someone who has had 3 miscarriages all after 10 weeks, I understand what it's like to lose a baby. I don't think that puts me in a position to judge people who have the burden of making extremely hard decisions for themselves and their famalies. You cannot walk in her shoes...I hope you heal from your loss, and I hope the same for Kaz as she suffered a loss just as legitimate as yours. Possibly you could find some solace on a pregnancy loss thread. Good luck to you both in healing.

sorry Luckynik...my heart breaks for you...and Kaz......and all women who have experienced this type of loss....equally....and thanks for reminding me that I am deviating from the topic at hand......which is to give support to those going through the agony of prenatal testing, or having to make heart breaking decisions......I feel very strongly when it comes to defending people against crusaders....(a pet peeve of mine) and defending the right to make choices for ourselves as women....but I'm letting my emotions get the best of me....I've said what I needed to and won't be drawn into a senseless argument any longer....all the best to you, thanks for the slap, I will go eat some meow mix now.....

I was told that after my nuchal (which was fine- 1.6) & blood test my odds were 1:191...i am 32 and now 19 weeks. It really scared me to hear the words "high risk for ds". i am so glad to have found this forum because hearing your stories really helped me stay positive. I decided to have the amnio (i would have made myself crazy not knowing for sure) and it came back normal. Its really hard to not worry but a lot of times you do find yourself worrying for nothing. Good luck to all!!!

Hi Alida....how relieved you must feel, heart felt congrats to you.....I felt the same way, that I needed to have the amnio to find out for sure after the devastating 1:8 odds I was given by my prenatal screening.... I think the stress of not knowing may have put the pregnancy at greater risk than the small one that an amnio represents....I am 25 weeks now and everything is going along great, keep in touch

alida, something doesn't make sense here. You are 32, you had a great result NT test why you doctor said that you are 1 :196? what other factor is him/her taking into account to determine that ratio? My question is because i am older than you, i got 1.6 NT and my risk is 1: 1108. I just try to understand this statistics that seems to not make sense sometimes

It was my bloodwork- they measure protiens in the blood and mine came back abnormal. I believe they take the results of the NT, your bloodwork and mothers age to come up with those odds. I wasn't really that concerned because my NT was fine. Then of course you go back and forth with the "what ifs". At my next appt. they did an ultra sound and checked the baby from head to toe. Still everything looked normal...they checked her heart, head, femur, and pinky (fyi-i guess if you have ds you will only have 2 bones instead of 3). I felt comforted knowing everything looked normal but my Dr. said that half the time the u/s will look normal even if it is ds. My Dr. is high risk and does thousands and thousands of amnios so I felt comfortable having him do it. It was scary but not as bad as i thought and i feel so much better knowing for sure. Hope this helps... keep in touch! :)

Hi Alida...my proteins were off too....but my nt was 1.1. After the amnio came back normal it was recommended that I see a placenta specialist because the blood tests were so out of whack. I saw one last week and he says that my placenta did not dig in as deeply as it should, and even though there is plenty of blood flow for now, I am 25 weeks.... he doesn't want to let the baby get too big...so I won't be allowed to go past 38 weeks and am being monitored, and will be induced sooner if necessary.....so you may want to get your placenta looked at just in case. He says I will be fine, as long as the baby isn't allowed to out-grow his blood supply...let me know if you have any questions.

ibk8t- I was so happy to hear your results!! 1:8 is so scary- i was (am) so relieved for you! Reading posts from you and Heart really kept me positive. I'm glad you are doing well. Aren't these forums great! I used to just read them and really learned a lot- I'm glad that I decided to participate because you never know who you may help!

oh...and he confirmed that the placenta problems are what skewed the prenatal blood tests....not sure where you are, but he is located at Mt. Sinai hospital in Toronto Ontario

Good to know! I will definately ask my Dr. about that. I am in Las Vegas, NV. Well please keep in touch and let us know how you and baby are doing!!!

You too....email me at ibk8t@yahoo.ca if you need the Dr. Kindons contact info...good luck....

ibk8t, keeping you and your baby in thoughts and prayers. I'm happy you found out it was the placenta causing your wacky results, even though it still causes a worry. You sound like a strong lady and I know that will carry you through. I do apologize for being rude to you before. I was going through a rough time, still am, but am trying on focusing on conceiving again. I would be 22 weeks this week and hopefull soon I'll be at that time again. Alida, I'm glad everything worked out for you, all those tests are worrying. My sil just went through the same scenario as yours with the protein levels in the blood and her amnio came back perfect. At least now, you can relax a bit. Take care and God bless.

Just dropping a note to let you know that you all are still in my thoughts and prayers. I'm happy to note that most pregancies in this board are going very well. CaliTrish, I'm dying to know how you and your baby are doing. I hope to hear from you soon.