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Good Morning, Tracy, I'm really glad you're still hanging in there. I hope your appt gives you more relief. Rest Up. Col, Welcome back. You are a strong woman, I'll be ttc right along w/ you as I believe this month's a bust too. I started spotting again. So I'm sure AF will be here by tomorrow. Baby5, I'm so sorry to hear about the devastating car crash, and you are so right. It really makes you appreciate what you do have, so I must say, I was pretty upset when I started to spot yest. & I read your post & said to myself "Snap out of it," look how much worse things could be. My heart goes out to that family, you & all of your coworkers. Hopeful, glad you are feeling at least on the mend. I woke up w/ a sore throat myself, but i don't think it's anywhere as bad as what you're going thru. I hope you're feeling much better. Once again, your words are eloquent & poignant. Karen, Hope the bleeding has subsided some. Rest up. Gotta get DS off to preschool, ttyl.

Good morning all! Hope this morning finds everyone well! I am in much better spirits. A day or mourning is all I think I need to appreciate what I have. This is an amazing thread-UVAMOM-Welcome! You'll be so glad you joined--I know I am :) TRACY-We look forward to hearing good news later-best of luck at your appt. KAREN-Hope your spirits are as good as they were yesterday-you sounded very positive and it's very rea__suring. KD-You sound positive and that's good--keep it up, you're time will come, whether it's this month or next...you are exactly where you are supposed to be :) Same for you LM3. Thanks for your advice, HOPEFUL, it doesn't seem to matter how much I drink anyways, so I may as well keep the fluids up, as you say. I would be great to just push a b___ton without getting up though to go. I'm lucky the bathroom is so close to the bdrm! Well, as I was writing this email, I found out more about the car crash from my co-workers. It brought up a good point that I wanted to share. I guess the mother was b___stfeeding the baby in the front seat when they were on a gravel road, they came across a semi and the driver lost control. The mother and baby were thrown from the car and died instantly. Please, please, please pull over to the side of the road to feed and use seatbelts at all times!!! A bad decision, in one instant, can have regrets for a lifetime...On a lighter note, is anyone still eating Halloween candy??? Everyone here at work keeps bringing in their leftovers and it's everywhere, just looking up at me, saying Eat Me, Eat Me!! Hope everyone has a wonderful day today! SANN-one more day of waiting for your amnio-my fingers are crossed for good luck!

Baby is fine, heartbeat is 165. The doc thinks the blood is from the vanishing twin, but there's no true way of knowing since U/S shows no signs of tears or anything. I am going to continue bedrest for a little while, just long enough to feel better about things. I am almost 12 weeks, so hopefully I will be able to relax a little soon. My due date has been changed to May 20 instead of the 25th. Not that big of a difference. Thinking of you all, just been so overwhelmed with fear and bad, throbbing headaches. Phenergan (for nausea) seems to be the culprit of the headaches. I didn't take any last night and have no headache today. Hope to talk to you guys later, and again, thanks so much for caring. It really means a lot.

KD.......sorry about the spotting...wait and see if full b__wn af arrives, I know its so hard, our time will come. BM%, gosh, thats so sad about your coworkers, boy, makes you think. Tracy... glad to hear they can't see anything else, try and sit tight, keep your feet up and rest and things will settle down. What is the best time to test using OPKs? I used to use first a.m and read I'm not supppose to too? Thanks

Hello ladies, Tracy, I am so happy you are doing well, and the baby is fine. I was really worried. Hopeful, thank you so much for the nice words, they meant a lot. After reading my post in the miscarriage thread, I felt it was too much of philosophy, and I regret it, but your words made me feel ok about it. I think it was a good decision you made about the amnio, I think to follow your heart always works. Good luck. BM5, it’s very sad how carelessness can harm us, we always take things for granted, and we think of Murphy’s Law as a joke. I feel so bad for the Dad when he wakes up, it will be really hard for him. My God help him. LM3 and KD, I have no plans to use the OPKs , I will relay on the CM only, I might start charting again. Although I did not stop charting until I was 7 weeks. I already stopped the spotting and the bleeding, I am not sure if this is normal, they say it should take at least 2-4 weeks. Yesterday night I had a baby shower in my house for one of my colleagues, the shower was scheduled before my MC. They offered me to have it somewhere else, I insisted to have it in my house. It was very good, we had good time. I don’t know why people think that when you lose a baby, you should be avoiding such activities, I think they are totally separate issues, I was watching myself really closely, trying to find any kind of bad feelings, I did not fine anything, I am still convinced that those are 2 different issues. Anyway, got to go now, I should do some work. Talk to you all

Hello again! Tracy - I'm so relieved that all is well. Baby sounds very healthy and the docs don't seem to be worried so you can relax a bit more now. Keep putting your feet up though - I think it's good for you to continue to rest. I wouldn't be surprised if the headaches are from the tension of worrying - I know that was the case for me when I'd finished my NT scan: I came out of the room with such a feeling of relief that my head exploded then and there!! LOL! lovemy3 and COL - Thanks for your support on my decision re. the amnio - it means a lot. I booked myself in for the 21week scan that looks at the baby in more detail and so I really feel like the decision is definite now. A relief all round. Col - I hope you no longer feel bad about what you said in the miscarriage thread as they were your immediate feelings and were true to your heart. I know it can seem really harsh to try and put any of your emotions into words as it feels as if you're cheapening them but you're NOT!! You are clearly a brave woman who is very in touch with her body and mind and that makes you strong. Do NOT feel guilty for that. Re. your bleeding. Mine stopped very quickly after the operation too. However, a few days later I had pink CM which seemed to stick around for about a week. My docs said all was normal so I wouldn't worry. BM5 - you are so right about your advice. Goodness what a tragedy and what a desperate shame that it could so easily have been avoided. Terrible. We must all learn from this. Sann - how are you doing today? I hope you're not worrying too much about tomorrow - it will all be fine and remember you can stare at your bean through the whole procedure. Wonderful!! KD and lovemy3 - Keep your hopes up! As always I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you!! -:¦:-•:*¨¨*:•.-:¦:-•. •:*¨¨*:•.-:¦:- Well this morning I made an attempt to go out into the daylight as I was feeling better. Also yesterday it snowed so everything looked so pretty with its icing sugar dusting. Anyway, I managed to get out but after about 30 mins in the cold wind I decided I wasn't fully recovered after all and my husband drove me home so I could have lunch in the warm and a hot orange juice. Then a nap this afternoon and I'm feeling a bit better again. Someone warned me yesterday that when you're pregnant it takes much longer to get over an illness. Is that true do you think/ in your experience? Anyway - must go and do a little bit of work before I relax for the evening! TTYL!

OOPS! Forgot Karen - how are you today? I hope all is well still and you're managing to keep the positive att_tude of yesterday. I wonder where Uvamom has got to? She checked in on the last thread and I'd love to hear her update!

hopeful...glad to hear you are well. I do agree that illnesses while pregnant are harder to get over. When I was 7 weeks pregnant with my last I got pneumonia and it took 6 months to get over. I had to have x-rays which were very upsetting, it was visible in my lung till 6 months. very scary, so take it easy when you guys are unwell as it is very taxing on your bodies. Keep well XOXO

Hello ladies ... Lovemy3 - Cd 10, a new begining for a new hope : ) Re : When to test with those Opks. I used to start testing when my temps rise. But if you haven't been temping, I go with COL, watch for cm. VAL - Congrats on your test results : ) Any updates? KD - Thanks for those comforting words ... mean so much to me : ) I'm trying not to think about it too much. Hope af is a no show : ) BM5 - So sorry about your co-worker and his family. It's an offence here if you have a baby in the front pa__senger with you. Anyway ... ladies(except for COL and Val) for your FYI, I'm no where near you guys neither the US or Canada ... I'm in SE Asia. How many more days till you see your doc? KAREN - I'm relieved the bleeding had stopped. When is your next u/s due? Keep up with the resting. TRACY - So great you have good news for us that both baby and you are doing fine. You too ... keep up with bedrest. COL - Welcome back : ) : ) : ) and in wonderful spirit too : ) : ) : ) Re : What you wrote on your thread ... Bravo!!!!! I can't agree with you more. The world would be a peaceful place if everyone was supportive of one another regardless of ........ : ): ): ) HOPEFUL - I'm glad both you and your dh had decided to opt out of amnio .... good for you guys : ) Since you have great results, it's a wonderful decision : ) RE : MY UPDATE ... Ligament "pains" is making it's presents felt more often. Sorry ladies .... I made a boo boo with my appt dates with the docs (I haven't been able to focus my mind on things lately ... not even work). Called the docs' office (yesterday) to confirm .... my appt for amnio is not today (Friday morning for me) it's on the coming Wed (11/08) ... few more days to calm my nerves : ) and it's take 2-3 weeks to finalise the results. So 3 weeks from 11/08 means I don't see the docs till end Nov for the results and an u/s ... I'm so : ( : ( : ( right now. Nevertheless ... thank you all so much for sending me positive thoughts and wishes. I didn't get a chance to ask the nurse over the phone yesterday but she said something about doing another test or u/s (done by my fetal specialist) at 32 weeks to check on the baby growth??? These days ... the mere mention of test(s) to be done just drives me nuts. Thanks for listening : ) Uvamom ... Congrats and welcome !!! I almost forgot ... Oh Yes!! my ob/gynae did say something about it takes longer for us to get well when we're pregnant. Her words to me ... "Please avoid going to crowded places as much as possible". Talk to you al soon : )

Good morning all, We have a light dusting of snow here this a.m......chilly. Sann.....glad to hear all is well. Good luck on Wednesday. Have you always lived in SE Asia? Do you mean Philippines area? Anyhow, no snow there I would imagine this a.m-lol. Nothing to report here.CD11, no cramps or no cm at all, v____al dryness for sure. haven't done any bding at all since cd224 of last month. Going to start bding every other day starting tomorrow cd12, so cd14, cd16, cd18 ,cd20,cd22,cd24. This time we are sticking to the every other day. My next 2 test days are Nov 25, the morning of my dhs Christmas party and then the big one is Christmas a.m in Disney That will be so hard to keep my chin up) My prayrer is that if it is a BFN, It will come early that month. Last Christmas a.m in 2005, I woke to blood. Sigh> Anyhow, no negativity, think positive! have a wonderful Friday all! p.s KD... did af show in full?

Morning ALL, AF showed for sure. I knew it would. I'm gonna make an appt at the dr. just to get some blood work done etc. I think this is the 6th month. I'm just a bit bummed. I feel w/ every month that pa__ses it means my ds is that much older, I'm older & my DH is older. Oh well. Once again i'll have my pity party & I'll be back.ttyl

KD.... Sigh...sorry about af...big hug. It's just plain c___ppy. I know what you mean about feeling older every month and ds being older. My last is 3 yrs old now and I know what you mean. Between my first and second there is 5 years, then between my middle and last 24 months, so I have experienced both age gaps, and there are positives to both. If I ever concieve there will be a 4 year gap as of this month and I hear the clock..tick..tick..tick as well, BUT we can't change that, we can only keep trying. I fully beieve that our children are born when they are set out by God to be born. The bible says He knows them all by name before they are conceived..so we just have to wait till it happens. Although, I know this doesn't make any difference they first day of af, and I don't even hear my own advice when af arrives for me..I am just to plain ticked off at the world then-lol. After you go to the dr's you will have more answers...my bet is that he will say its a matter of time, and both of us being 3 years older than last conception that is big in fertility years. I fully beieve it will happen for both of us....hang in there... and keep the hope and faith strong. Hugs.

KD... Check this website out and read the message for today on Hope www.proverbs31.gospelcom.net Its really good and brightened my day.

Good morning. Thanks for all the kind words. I haven't seen any blood for a few days so I am feeling very hopeful. Yesterday and the day before I felt so sic and headachy though. Must have had some surge or hormones as I felt almost unable to get out of bed. Don't know what that was about but I feel much better today. Sorry about AF KD. I am sure it is disappointing and very frustrating. I agree with you Lovemy3 about some things being out of our hands for sure. I am not a very religious person but I really believe that some force or ent_ty much bigger than all of us had a hand in my getting pregnant. My husband and I had decided we were too old, and although we were very disappointed we would never have a child together, after the miscarriage last February we decided not to try anymore and we were being very careful. We didn't even bd during my most fertile time. When we found out we were pregnant again, we felt it was beyond our control and that someone knew better than we did. Having faith and hope can keep us all going during tough times for sure. Anyway, I guess that it is easy for me to say since I'm pregnant, and you both are trying. LM3 - When you say you are on CD11 - do you mean 11 days since you had your last AF? Can I ask you how long your cycles are? I got pregnant this time around CD 10 or 11 and my cycles are 27 or 28 days. I have heard that this is quite common and that many women conceive days before ov'ing. Didn't realize it could happen so far in advance until I got pregnant!! Hope this is your month for a BFP!

I was just wondering if anyone can feel their uterus yet? I read that around 12 weeks you might (or should not sure) be able to feel it? I am not sure if I do or not. Sometimes I feel like I can feel it if I tense up, but that might just be my muscles. Seems when I lie flat and don't tense up down there I don't think I can feel it. Just wondering if anyone has felt theirs yet? Thanks.

Hi Karen, CD11 means 11 days since my first day of blleeding. So the first day of your period is cd1. My cycle is usually 28-30 days long and I see a positive surge using an ovulation predictor pee stick on cd18-20 usually. So, I ovulate late and have a short luteal phase( the days between ovulation and your operiod) 10 days is a minimum for conception. I deally 14 is best. I have always o'd on cd18 though and had 3 babies. So, lets hope like crazy this is the month, I'm glad to hear you are having a good day, its hard when you feel horrible. I'm not sure about feeling your uterus. I never really have noticed that. Hopefully someone else will have an answer for you, take care ttyll