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Lovedblessings - FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm soooooooooooooo happy for you. SUPER, WONDERFUL, AMAZING!!! So did you find out if it's a boy or a girl? Exciting stuff either way. Great news! Sorry to hear about your nursing issues but maybe "big brother" has decided that he needs to leave the b___bs for his younger sibling!! LOL! kaykaysmommy - welcome back!!! Great to hear from you and that all is going well with the pregnancy. Sorry to hear that your family have said such horrid things but they'll come round when they see your bundle of joy and it sounds like your husband is more than supportive. Re. the level 2 sono - I'm not sure but I think that's what I'm having in week 21 (normally between weeks 20 and 22 here) and it checks the physical progress of the baby as well as all its organ functions. I also have to travel about 70 miles out of town to have it done so it must be a pretty technical scan. (I think lovemy3 knows more but I may be wrong?) What is important is that it does no harm to the baby and so, in my opinion, is worth doing. (I've also decided against the amnio. I'm 35 by the way and will be 36 when the bean is born.) Talk to your doctor and ask exactly what they are looking for so that your mind is put at rest. BM5 - great to hear you sounding so positive as always. I'm so looking forward to hearing your news from your first appointment. When is it exactly? Will you get a scan? If you do, you should get some pretty clear pictures if you're already in week 10. Maybe showing them to your family and friends will help them change their minds? They can't be so negative when they see the joy it brings you can they? Re. winter weather - I can totally relate to the snow and ice issue. Although it's clear now, we've already had our first snowfall (in the valley) and the tops of the mountains, even the low ones, are dusted with snow so I don't think it'll be long now. Ice is so frightening to drive on. Just make sure you're not too tired at the end of the day as you need your wits about you when you're driving in those conditions, don't you? Don't take any risks either and if you don't feel confident to drive into work then DON'T...... take the day off and do some nesting instead!! Thankfully I work from home so I don't have that issue - of course the swimming pool is 7kms away and you all know how addicted I am to that so I must remember to follow my own advice!! LOL!!! Karen - you sound in great spirits. Keep it up!! Have a great break at your parents and bring us back lots of lovely news when you post again! I'm sure, like BM5 and kaykaysmommy, when they see how happy you are, they won't fail to be more positive about the whole pregnancy. Have fun! Val - hello again!! You're sounding good which is fabulous. I had the same middle of the night snack issue. Thankfully it didn't last long but I never really found one thing that helped - I tried cornflakes, milk, biscuits and bread (not all at once!!) and they all worked but weren't really very appetising at that time of night. I'm sure you'll "grow out of it" soon though!! Like the sound of your bargain hunting. Well done you! I wish I was a "pants" person but I'm really not (except perhaps in the summer when they're really light) so I'm having a really hard time finding warm skirts that will fit over my currently very small bump but which will expand enough for later. I feel in a real in-between stage now where nothing looks right and I just look huge!! Not very attractive!! Anyway, my most important thing at the moment is trying to concentrate on my belly movements. I'm not sure, but I think when I lie down on my left side that sometimes I can feel something happening down there. Sometimes it feels like a slight tickle, and sometimes it feels like my stomach has turned over. It's so faint that I can't really tell if it's just my imagination. What I do know though is that my belly is definitely the focus of my body at the moment - it's where I feel the blood pumping and it's often really warm. Does this make sense to any of the current mums? lovemy3 - you are the font of all knowledge...... am I talking a load of rubbish? Hey - wonderful news about your ewcm! Get back to bed right now and enjoy it!!! LOL! Speak to you all soon!

Hello girls ... Mind there's so much happening on this thread : ) Sorry for my MIA ... I haven't had the time to post (for the past week or so) cos I had to clear some work before I go on medical leave for amnio than followed by bedrest for the next 3 days ...... but I'm back today : ) : ) : ) I'm happy to report ... I'm now 17weeks 5days. KAREN - Sorry to hear about the spotting however I glad to hear to all is well with your little bean and reaching 2nd tri .... that's wonderful : ) : ) : ) Re : Your sister ... I agree with the ladies, don't let her dampen your spirits. LM3 - Hooray for you .... you've got ewcm. Keep up with the bd'ing every other day. Try not to stress now, just have fun : ) HOPEFUL - I happy to hear you have recovered and you're back to your old self again. Oh yes !!!!!! I love swimming too, it's a great relief for the sore back : ) Re : Amnio - It's really isn't so bad after all now that I have gotten it done. I got to see our little one the whole time. According to the doc(fetal) from what he gathered via the u/s, we may be having a baby girl .... yippeeeeeeeee : ) : ) : ) but we'll know for sure when we get the amnio results back in about 3 weeks time (we're keeping our fingers crossed) Anyway, doc put me back on progesterone together with antibiotics for the next 10 days (and it's making me drowsy and tired all over again) When will you be doing level2 u/s? Doc(fetal) had it schduled at the end of the mth when we get out results. LOVEBLESSINGS - Congrats on your results and a healthy baby boy : ) : ) : ) I can't wait for ours to be back ... the wait is drving us nuts. BM5 - So great that your doing fine and in your 9th weeks : ) I sure you'll get great pictures of your little bean : ) KAYKAYSMOMMY - Hi : ) Level2 ... from what I had gather ... it's to measure the developement of our baby's organs and growth etc. I think some of the ladies had touched on this in our part 7 thread (if I'm wrong). VAL - I'm so glad to hear you're doing really well and m/s is tapering off. And hooray ... you'll be entering 2nd tri : ) Welcome to all new to the thread : ) and hope the rest of you are doing fine : ) Belly rubs and baby dust to you all : )

Hello Sann - good to hear from you! You sound in great spirits which is wonderful to hear. Keep posting during the wait for your results as it will help to ease the pressure. Nearly 18 weeks already!! Wowee!! Have you felt anything yet? How much are you showing? Have you started to get things ready or are you leaving that til later? I keep thinking there's so much to do but I can't seem to get round to it. I think I'll write a list first and then at least I'll feel a little obligated to start ticking things off as they're done. My level2 u/s is not until mid-December but I have a regular appointment at the end of this month to check everything is progressing as it should so I can't wait for either of those dates. Anyway, must go now and write my list!! TTYL!

Good morning, Kaykaysmommy congratulations surprises can be a beautiful gift. All the genetic testing offered can be overwhelming. Lovemy3 so glad you can relate, its soooo hard letting go and thinking it may be your last. That is exactly how I felt before I found out I was pregnant this time. My cycles were all over the map, also I had none when I conceive this little one. Not too sure how that effects ovulating, what ever you do don't give up... anything can happen!!! Here is a website on how to naturally increase your fertility. Hope you don't mind I did a little research and found this site which I found a very interesting read. http://www.familiesonline.co.uk/article/articleview/26/1/8/ With my last pregnancy I had horrible gallbladder attacks which resulted in my gallbladder being removed two weeks after my son was born. It was very scary my pulse rate was very low, there was a gallstone stuck in the pile duct which was blocking the entrance to the liver. I now realize how important taking care of your liver is. Changing my diet has made me feel and look so much better. Although it has been really hard. Chocolate, Pizza and chicken wings are so good, they are something that I still eat but not near as often. What seems to work for me is constant grazing. Cherry Tomatoes, apples and almonds can always be found at my desk. It's very rare I feel hungry these day. One problem I had in the past was snacking while making supper. Now I always have a snack on the way home in car... usually an apple, I can't seem to get enough of those at the moment. Karen E. The doctors never came up with a reason just offered a few suggestions on what it could of been. IN the third trimestor I had bright red urine which I thought for sure I was losing him. The doctor suggested in could just be from s_x or an unexplained rip. It felt as if they were just as much in the dark as I was. Like yourself I felt much better when I saw our little one on the utlrasound. He is a healthy and happy boy now.. one day you will be telling us all about your little one too!

good morning all, well, still have ewcm, but opk is very negative. Not even a faint line. i may go buy the tests i always use. Who knows. feeling bummed thinking that this month is a total loss without ovulation...that is a big part of getting pregnant-lol. Hopeful...when i first felt my guys move, it was such a light flutter. So light, almost like the slightest flutter of b___terfly wings. You think you feel something but you can't say for sure. For me it was at 20 weeks the first one then by 15-16 weeks with the last as I was more aware. I mostly felt movement when I was laying quietly. Gosh, remembering back, that was cool. When they get big its really awesome their movements. Enjoy every minute ladies, it is such a miracle, so incredible, the whole process. I rememeber being so excited bringing my little babies home, but I also rememeber being a little sad that they were not inside anymore. I remember that mostly around day 3 when my milk came in feeling giggly from being overtired, but weepy from hormones. Each time laughing and crying at the same time. Very fun times looking back, always exciting bringing a new baby home from the hospital. My older kids would make big signs and tape them on the garage and have balloons etc and would be running a long the sidewalk when I turned the corner just so excited. Really memorable. Anyhow, enough of old sad sap me-lol. Cherish each moment girls, it is a journey of a lifetime. Have a wonderful day all XOXO

Lovedblessing...crossed paths again while typing...lol. Thanks for the encouragement, its hard specially this month thinking I'm not ovulating. Chin up though!

Hi Kay Kay. I was 34 when I conceived my first (and so far only) and 35 when I delivered. Because of my "advanced maternal age" my pregnancy was considered high risk and all that testing was recommended. 35 is a totally arbitrary age and I felt very healthy so I declined invasive procedures and went with the level 2. For one thing, it's really long so you get to see your fetus doing its thing for about 45 minutes. We watched ours suck his thumb and saw him swallow and "digest" some fluid (isn't it just great how they pee in there and then drink it?lol). All of the organs were measured and all of the fingers and toes counted and I can't remember what else because once we saw the p___s I couldn't stop crying (joy not distress). It was way cool--worth the drive I would think. I agree that the risks of the amnio outweigh the benefits. Besides, you were 34 when you conceived which is when the extra chromosome would be there if it was going to be right? I don't think on your 35th birthday, you suddenly start creating defects in the fetus. I'm a little more concerned at my age (nearly 39) and I'm only in the thinking about being a ttc'r group--group of one--and think I need to make up my mind soon. Anyway best of luck and enjoy your level2.

hey all hope everyone is doing OK today i have been having m/s for about 3-4 weeks now and last night and today no matter what i eat or drink i have a nasty taste in my mouth i try gum and mints and it is OK until they are gone then the taste comes back ....with the m/s slightly sweetened tea and Dr pepper of all things settle the best on my stomach anything else comes up weird uh? thanks everyone for your help on the level 2 i tried to do a search last night at work and i found a site that talked alot about a level 2 ........but it also included a super sad story about their baby that ended up not making it and what was wrong with him and how the hospital gave the family all of the time with this baby until the end came bathing and holding and loving him .....well lets just say by the end of the story i was balling my eyes out and i am a dispatcher at a police dept i work 2nd shift weekends only and holidays (veterans day) so my DD dont have to be put in daycare (not saying there is anything wrong with it not trying to start a fight) DH works Monday thru Friday anyway i was a balling idiot one officer came into the station and was like whats wrong we could tell you were crying over the radio and i felt so embarra__sed because i still was crying thank god this officer is a dad and remembers his wife crying over a dog food commercial on tv (yall may remember where the little boy has a puppy and as the little boy grows the dog does too then the dog is real sad as the young man leaves for college he said that one just tore her up when she was preggo so he understood) thanks maturemom for all of the info on level 2 i never realized it was 45 min long do you know how many weeks preggo it is done ??? and will they be able to determine the s_x before the regular u/s? the doc told me he wanted me to have it and i was so undecided yesterday in his office he wrote it on the paper he gave me to take back up front but i didnt ask her i just got my card for next appt and left maybe they will call or it may be too soon now he may be waiting until i am further along.....but that dont seem right waitng until you are further along because what if you find out bad news and you wish to terminitate you cant after so many weeks so that dont make sense i am confused!!!!! but i know i will not terminate either so anyway sorry for rambling on belly rubs to all

Hi Hopeful ... Oh yes! I'm feeling totally relieved after having amnio done ... it's just the waiting that's driving me and Dh a little nuts. Anyway, the amnio precedure was extremely quick, took the doc less than a min to draw the fluid. I had no fluid discharge at all (none of those scary stuff and complications that I read), just a little tummy discomfort for a couple of hours. But just to be on the safe side ... I did the bedrest thing again as per doc's orders. The whole experience wasn't as scary as I thought it would be. Re : Baby's movements, I kinda felt some twitches a little earlier on (not really sure if those were movements now) But lately .. when I'm resting I do feel some "b___terfly flutters" (like the way Lovemy3 said it would be) though but not very often. Well ... checked with the the doc (fetal specialist), he said, movements would be more apparent at 20 weeks. Re : How much am I showing? Well, it's noticable and my pants and skirts don't really fit now. I desperately need to shop for bottoms. Dh and I, haven't gotten any baby stuff yet cos we thought it would be best to get comfirmation on the s_x of our little one first but we've been checking stuff out though. Re : Level2, are you having done by your ob/gynae or a fetal specialist??? My ob/gynae refered us to a fetal specialist (the same doc who did the amnio) .... I'm just wondering if it due to maternal age or is it a norm? What are your thoughts? Lovemy3 - I totally understand what you're going through but try not to stress (I know it's really hard but ..... ) I think it's a postive sign to have EWCM and it's just a matter of time you get a positive opk. So have fun bd'ing and enjoy the weekend with your kids : ) To all the rest of you - Hope you are doing well? Have a nice weekend everyone. Belly rubs and baby dust : )

Good morning all, Sann...glad to hear you got your amnio over with and it was so easy. thats great. how long till the results? nothing to report here. cd 20 and no surge still, cm is dried up as well. feeling very down. Lying in bed thinking this a.m, and thinking this month will be our last of trying. I am really finding it too difficult. This month i haven't even ovulated so there is no chance. A wasted month and so discouraging. It is becoming to heartbreaking each month and obviously my body isn't even releasing an egg, let alone the 10% chance it has of being fertilized. Anyhow, sorry to be such a downer. Hope you are well, XOXO

Hi Lovemy3 ... don't be discourage. I've in your situation. Sometimes, it happens (especially in the morning) you may not have any ewcm but once you have some fluid you probably start producing ewcm again later in the day or the next .... so drink plenty of water. I know it easier said than done but reallyyyyyy staying positive does help cos stress can be the cause of the delay (that's what my Tcm physician always say) .... so stay relax and keep up with the bding (every other day) : ) Anyway ... my results should be out by end of the mth. Cheer up and have a nice day. Sending you tonnes of baby dust : ) : ) : ) TTYL

Thanks sann, I know I'm being a complainer....sorry, Its just c___ppy and emotional and totally c___ppy! lolol. At least I'm laughing now! Doing the poor me thing. I'm so blessed, what is it with human nature anyhow! Hope you all have a good day- chin up like Charlotte says to Wilbur...(Charlottes Web..for anyone who doesn't know-lol)

Hey ladies, just wanted to pop in and say hello. I haven't been around much because I have been in a paranoid state of mind and need to stay clear of any hint of anything that will worry me. I'll get over it eventually. I am going to get counseling to help with my anxiety and time will heal this fear of mine. Just want you to know I am thinking of all of you, but too afraid to read posts right now. I'll be back!

Hello all. Tracy - so sorry to hear you're feeling unsure of yourself. I have had those feelings too and still do on occasion but they have eased a lot since hitting the 2nd Trimester. I just hope that the same will be true for you - not long now is it? I understand totally why you've been away from the forum and I actually think it's a good idea but I hope you come back to us every few days or so just to say you're OK - don't read anything, just write! (Easier said than done I know but please try and stay in touch!) lovemy3 - I'm feeling so sad for you and your situation. I know this sounds harsh but I desperately want you to take your mind off it all and try to relax as I really think then your body would be more receptive. I also think the OPKs cause you more worry and stress than they are helpful and my advice is to stop using them. Listen to your own advice over the last few threads aswell where you yourself have said how crazy it is to rely on them. I'm sure they can become addictive after a while and it won't be easy but mother nature is so much more powerful than a scientific pee-stick and following your instincts is much more natural. As Sann says, just keep b-ding every other day and remember to enjoy it!! (After all, doesn't it stand for baby-dancing? What a lovely thought!) I so want to give you a great big hug and tell you it'll all be alright. Perhaps you should bring your doctor's appointment forward so that you can discuss the issues that you might have. If you're worried that they'll just send you away saying that you have to lose weight before they can start helping you then just tell them that you're already trying and that you've joined weight watchers to show your commitment. Remember too that you're still young (37 right?) and although you have family who had symptoms of menopause at that age it doesn't mean you will have too - don't rule things out until you have a doctor's opinion to back you up! Sorry if I'm being bossy and hard on you (please forgive - it's all with the best intentions - I consider myself a friend) but I'm so worried that you're getting yourself overly stressed and that this strain (not your ovulation) is what is causing the problems. Big Hugs to you and your DH.-:¦:-•:*¨¨*:•.-:¦:-•. •:*¨¨*:•.-:¦:-

Hey there everyone. Hopeful...thank you for the advice, and no you didn't sound bossy at all. It is true about the opks becoming addictive and that you begin to rely on them as "truth". It is very true all you have said and I appreciate your honesty. hugs.. a good reality, kinda snap out of it!-lol. We have bd every other this month since cd12 and now to cd20 and it makes a big difference i think for dh (quant_ty wise). anyhow, we bd this a.m . thats why i didn't bother running off to walmart and spending yet more $. it is what it is. i probably can't move my appt up now, since he is a specialist and will be booked up. so heres hoping and praying the couple of months are good ones. Tracy...I understand where you are coming from. Whenever I go on the Infertility board, I get discouraged and freaked out and go into panic mode. the counselling thing will be a good thing. I'm sure we could all use a few hours of that. People are people and we all have our stuff, and our crosses to bear. Lets hope and pray we all have a good week, nothing out of the ordinary and all stay positive and happy. I'm thankful i have you guys! XOXO

Dearest lovemy3 - so glad you took my opinion as words of friendship. I hope you're feeling a bit better now. I just did something fun - I copied all my entries since the TTC-ers thread started (by KD back in early August) and pasted them into a doc_ment in my computer. They can act as a supplement to my pregnancy diary. After all they probably have more detail in them than the few entries I've managed to muster over the last 3.5 months! LOL! Glad I'll have them forever now!