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Hi Again Ladies, My concern about the OPK is that the whole pg thing being on my mind too much. I really just want to relax. It's like consuming me. I'm worried that'll be yet another thing for me to obsess over.But I am curious about when I actually O. I don't know. I guess I'm gonna think a bit more on it. It certainly sounds helpful. Happy Anniversary to both of you. Val, I truly understand the waiting for the house & financial stability. We were all ready to "settle down";House baby, etc, when my DH got injured (some sort of repetative arm injury). That was over 6 years ago. So we waited initially & then had to wait again& still now we seem to be waiting. Ideally it's still not the greatest time. No House, no stable job(he freelances when he's not in too much pain & I work on the weekends& do some freelancing when I can) & we pay for our health insurance out the wazoo! But time is running out. So we decided to go for it anyway. I have no idea what the right thing to do is, but this seems right for now. Hopefully this will happen for us all soon. have a good day

Hi KD, I know what ya mean about the OPK's making it more stressful. It is consuming, especially each morning when you are testing your pee at 5 am cuz if you are surging you want to catch your dh before he leaves for work. I think, there is never the perfect time for planning babies. We bought our first house 10 years ago, but last year moved into a newer much larger house and doubled our mortgage. I am a stay at home mom, so we as feel the financial strain as well. My dh has his own business, so thats always hanging over our heads, but we just keep going on. I certainly can't complain, but you always seem to spend what you have regardless as to how much. In Canada, we don't pay when we go to the dr's, so if you are rich or poor you all go to the same dr;'s and have the same treatment. I have no idea what tests or scans or anything cost. We just go and use our health card that everyone gets when they are born. So thats really it here.ttyl

Dearest lovemy3, KD, Val and, of course, Kristin - thank you so much for your concern. To put you all out of your misery...........yes they saw the heartbeat at my last appointment on Monday (I'm not very good at 'reading' ultrasounds yet!) and all is well. The embryo was 9mm long - right on target! - and my doctor said as everything looks fine I should go on "incubating" as normal! LOL!!! It is a huge relief! The following saga will explain why....................The last time I really updated was to explain that I had gone to the hospital to ensure that the pregancy wasn't ectopic and that they had expressed concerns about the shape of the sac (turns out that my doctor said on Monday that it looks fine, by the way!! - more relief! LOL!). Well they said that I should go to the doctor straight away in Italy if I felt any pain. This was on the Friday. Well, on Saturday we left and I had awful cramps all the way there (we were driving and it takes about 8 hours) which really worried me. Also my b___bs stopped being sore and so I thought that was it. By the next day, the pain had subsided but I had to go to pee nearly every half an hour because of what felt like pressure. Even though the pain had gone, I was still worried and by Monday had got myself into a right stew about it all so me and hubbie decided that the hospital was the only way. Of course, we had my dad with us and he knew nothing of the pregnancy (the plan was to wait until the 2nd Trimester to be safe - given last time) but I felt I couldn't keep it from him if something was to happen so we told him then and there. Of course, he was very upset but hugely supportive. At the hospital I got a check up which showed all was normal although no ultrasound. So as no-one had yet confirmed that the pregnancy was viable (i.e. fetal pole etc) I was still concerned. However, the doctor prescribed me Prometrium for 10 days and some painkillers (which I didn't need, thankfully!) which calmed me down merely for the fact that I knew all that could be done was being done. We enjoyed the rest of the holiday and I was virtually pain free so could relax. When I got back home (the following Friday) I rang the hospital as they had asked me to do but they said that there was no need to come in unless I had pain or bleeding which I didn't. Of course, this still didn't help me with the fact that I still didn't know if the pregnancy had actually "taken" so their suggestion was to go and see a loc_m (my doctor was away on holiday too!! CHAOS!!!) but I really didn't feel like going to someone else and, anyway, my father-in-law was arriving that day and I felt that I would rather wait until he'd gone before I found out the news - good or bad. So his trip was full of tension but I think I coped rather well considering and he seemed to have a good time. By the time he left it was only 4 days until my appointment so I decided to wait and, as you now know, all my worries were unfounded. What a saga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So now my father knows (although not my father-in-law as he's not so perceptive and it was easier to keep it quiet than to tell him - his wife isn't well and I didn't want them to be under any unnecessary stress) and that made the whole three week trip much easier on all of us. When he left yesterday I spoke with my husband about the fact that he now has to keep it secret and what an awful burden that will be. So we agreed that I should tell my mother too and that would make things easier for all of us. It did - she was thrilled but, thankfully, was calm and told me just to enjoy it - that we'll really celebrate when the news becomes public in November (2nd Trimester and all that). Anyway, so you can see that my month has been incredibly full and exciting (right word??!!LOL!!) and I'm now completely exhausted. Yesterday I could barely move about I was sooooooooooo tired. Today I feel a little more energetic - even managed to start the mound of washing which needs to be done after all the visitors. Hubbie being incredibly supportive which is great and I've got a few little personal projects which are keeping me busy during this trimester. So all is well. I think I've written enough now to make up for my absence but I hope all is well with you all and the baby dust is constant. I wish Sann would update us......this is getting a bit worrying isn't it? Speak to you all soon and thanks again for keeping me in the loop!!

Welcome back Hopeful...We missed you and are soooo glad to hear all is great! thats is awesome. Nothing to report here except I'm getting upset this a.m with this crazy monitor. CD18, which in the past the day i surge, according to monitor I am still "high" but no peak. So thats 6 days of "high". because we are doing the bd every other day, we didn't today, but I'm hoping I didn't put my trust in a stupid electronic gadget and missed my surge. We will bd tomorrow a.m regardless of the reading. I am concerned that if I dodn't o till 19 or 20 and my cycle is a typical 29-31 day, that my problem is a luteal defect, just not enough time to implant. Anyways , as you can tell I'm stressing this a.m.. Maybe the monitor is right and the other OPK's are just not as accurate and that is why I haven't concieved this time around. Gosh, I want to get pregnant so bad and be done. 4th and final and never go through this stress again!! hope you all have agreat day ttyl XOXO

hi ladies... thanks for the encouragement. I know it's not over yet, but I guess I'm just bracing myself for another disappointment. I was really hoping for a bfp for our anniversary. HOPEFUL, glad to hear from you and that you are doing well! LM3, have you considered doing an opk along with the monitor? Just to see which one is more accurate? (The accuracy knowledge would probably come in hindsight after your temp shift, but at least maybe it would help ease your mind about which method is better?) Your lp does sound like it might be a little short. My lp is usually around 14 days. Of course, that doesn't seem to be helping! KD, wow, it sounds like you had some bad luck. The trouble with waiting for security is that nothing is ever secure... So you don't have any children yet? For some reason I thought you did. COL, how are you? Did you ov yet?

Hello ladies, I am so sorry I did not write before, I am around; I read all of your posts. But I do not have the energy to write. Val, thank you for asking about me, I did ovulate this month, but we did not do what we have to do on time. So this cycle is out for sure. KD, I hear you, when you say that this issue is consuming you, this is what I feel, I am so tired and drained, ready to give up especially this month, I am convinced more than ever that it’s not meant to be. I am doing everything to pin point my Oday, and when its here, we do not stop arguing and fighting. Don’t get me wrong, I am happily married, it’s just every cycle around ovulation we have this stupid arguments. So now, I am at the point were hill with it, I am not living my life, my life is revolving around TTC. It’s taking over every single aspect of my life. Sorry again for not writing, its just I am so mad. Mad at myself, and the whole world. I wish all of you the best and good luck.

Hopeful, All I can tell you is I felt very similar to you with this pregnancy especially after my loss. Getting pregnant quickly can be a blessing..but also a cause for concern as I was always second guessing every little thing in my pregnnacy. Once the 2nd trimester hit I started to feel better. Now that I am in the 3rd with only 8-9 weeks to go I feel elated with happiness..yet in my heart I will never be happy till the little one is finally hear. Again, I couldn't be happier for you with this pregnancy and like your mother said "just enjoy it" you deserve it! P.S. I remember having crampy feelings and then "no pregnancy symptoms at around 8 weeks. I also had some light spotting at 6 weeks and again at 9 weeks. All no cause for concern after all!! Anyway lots well wishes and remember to rest rest rest!!! Your baby is forming all it's essential framework right now..this is the most important time!! All the best!! Kristin

COL... ((Hugs)) Gosh, I wish I could cheer you up. Each month is discouraging, sometimes we feel like giving up and all we can wonder is Why me? And that we won't know till we meet our Creator face to face. I know you've said it has been a really long, hard time of ttc. It has only been a few months for me and I am also getting miserable. I can see this taking over. I don't know what to say othe than I'm praying for you....for you getting pregnant but as well as happiness and for peace. I hope you can be encouraged soon, ((Hugs))

Hi Kristen, Wow time has flown by with your pregnancy!! How did you ever make out with the father-in-law name stuff? Hope you are well. XOXO

Hi Val, , Ooops sorry i didn't see ya up there-lol! Thanks for the other OPK tip, I'm just too cheap!! lol. Anyhow, hope my little egg "peak" sign will be there in the a.m. Stay positive and hopeful this month, its not over. ttyl XOXO

Good morning...CD19 still NO Peak on my monitor. BD this a.m anyhow. Totally don't understand. Last night had all the symptoms. major ovary cramping like usual, cm, cd18, then was totally expecting to see the "peak" sign this a.m and nothing. I am going to go out this a.m and buy a regular OPK, cuz I have a hard time beilieving this dumb monitor. COL... have you ever heard of this with this monitor? Also, when I looked at the actual test strip, both lines are identical in colour. 2 totally equal lines. Arghhh! Feeling annoyed, depressed and ready to just say "3 is great lets call it a day and move on!" Anyhow, sorry to be so crabby, I think this is all so ridulous! Hope you are all good. Have a great day.

Hi all! No real news from me. Just to say that I'm keeping myself busy so that I don't stress and am feeling a little more energetic today which is great. lovemy3 - I'm sorry to hear about your frustrations. I can relate somewhat as my first ttc really felt like an obsession and I hated that part of it. All I can say is I only went by my cm and didn't use any predictor kit and felt that was better for me because I could just blame the unpredictability of nature rather than the so-called "accuracy" of science for each month we didn't succeed LOL! I know that's easier said than done when time seems to be against us. I did buy an OPK and said that I'd use it if things didn't happen after 6 months. I'm not sure how long I could have waited though so I really sympathise. COL - I'm sorry you're down too. Perhaps you need to take a break from it all for a while and try to forget it - they say that helps you to relax and then things might start happening. Just a thought. Val KD - how goes things? Kristin - thanks again for your kind words and rea__surance. You have been a real support to me in the last months. I am still somewhat nervous and don't want to speak too soon, but I do feel that this time feels better and I'm more relaxed which has got to be good. Also, telling my mum and dad is a huge weight off my shoulders and means that I can actually talk about it with them rather than always trying to find other topics to discuss. Baby Dust to all who need it. Speak to you soon.

Hi Girls, Went out and spent more money and got regular OPK and pee'd and total surge. So either the monitor missed it or this is a false positive. Arghhh. Who knows, not me. have agood day XOXO

Good morning ladies! How is everybody doing today? All is fine here. Monitor is still showing "high" but NO peak. Crazy. The First Response OPK showed the surge again this a.m and I do have all the o'ing signs so we BD last night and again this a.m, just to be sure! So I guess we'll see. Iam disappointed in the monitor and hope it is a faulty monitor and not false positive regular OPK. In any case, it is what it is. Anything new with you all. Kristen, thats sounds better now that the name stuff has toned down for you. That is great to concieve so quickly. That was like me with my first 3, now who knows! I saw before that you posted yuo are from the Toronto area, I am kinda, about 1 hour north east. I have my babies at a high risk clinic in one of the downtown hospitals though. Thats about it here, Have a great day XOXO

Good Morning to All, I realize I'm a few days behind responding but Col, I feel so bad for you. I agree w/ everything Lovemy3 wrote so well, especially about happiness & peace. I truly wish you luck. Lovemy3, I find that very strange about the whole OPK monitor & no surge. When I took a look at the one's at the store I thought they looked confusing & quite expensive. There were 2 lines & you were fertile if the 2 lines were the same darkness. But I could see myself trying to a___lyze whether or not it was just as dark or not dark enough. I don't know. I think the price kind of scared me too. It was $15. for the 7 day of the generic brand. Maybe next month. I hope you truly did have your peak & that you're cells are starting to divide!!! Hopeful...Oh my god what a saga. You poor thing to have gone through such a rollercoaster. I hope that means it's smooth sailing the rest of your pregnancy.Val, I do have a son, I was a bit emotional when writing before, so I'm sure I wasn't too clear. What I was trying to get at was that we waited to have him because of our situation & then we waited to start ttc#2 because our situation didn't improve.But we're happy & hopefully we'll soon have a sibling for our son. Hello Kristin... wow 8-9 weeks left. How exciting!!! Good Luck.

Hi KD... Glad to hear you back to your happy self. Keep positive. This whole process is so overwhelming and frustrating i am finding, but you girls re all so encouraging, thanks for that! Have a a great day ttyl