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I don't think Anne is saying that ANY baby is unnatural.... but think about it... if you use IVF, have 2 healthy embryos, and both survive... the twins aren't really a surprise, are they? They weren't "natural" in that they didn't happen simply because nature wanted it to happen. This in no way lessens the actual children... or anything about the pregnancy. You mothers of multiples should KNOW this.. when you fall pregnant again, and go into your doctors office.. they ask you many questions about previous pregnancies... and when you answer "yes" to having had multiples, that is followed by "WERE THEY CONCEIVED NATURALLY?" as in, do we need to worry about that with this pregnancy? It has NOTHING to do with the worth of the child, the worth of the pregnancy.. it is just FACT. Maybe you should stop being so ashamed that you had help conceiving. I know I'm not. The word natural is a real word with a real definition.... and if you needed Clomid, IVF, etc in order to get pregnant, and you get pregnant... well Nature sure had a helping hand, now didn't it..... and what the hell is wrong with that??? You really make needing this medical help seem like an ugly thing, with all this talk that "natural" is not "normal". MY children WERE NOT conceived Naturally..... I needed IVF. We had 6 embryos, and on the 2nd try with 2 embryos, we had success. I was the one to put 2 embryos in there, and I was lucky enough to have both of them thrive and become my children...... and I am not ashamed of that.

This is where you and I differ in opinions on "natural". You see, I guess it depends on the doctor, because my doctor never asked if my previous child was conceived "naturally". He asked if it was an a__sisted pregnancy. Also, while embryos are implanted during IVF, NATURE intervenes as to whether a woman's body will accept the embryo's therefore making it very natural - and, again, a__sisted. Maybe better words, other than "natural" would be CONVENTIONAL, or SPONTANEOUS, or a__sisted/una__sisted.

oh and "mama beans" - I personally have no issue with having a__sistance w/conceiving. I speak openly about it! I have a beautiful 10 year old - concieved w/out med. a__sistance and happened to have secondary infertility.

Well I would hope you wouldn't have a problem with fertility a__sistance!! I worked hard, both physically and emotionally, to get pregnant with my daughter! Luckily, my 2nd pregnancy was a "freebie" and we didn't need medical a__sistance. But if we DID need it again, boy I'd jump right back in the trenches and work it out!

I think that "Natural" is when the mother has twins una__sisted-not that they are abnormal. Concieving naturally is without a__sistance-why sooo sensitive as to what others call it??

Given the opportunity, I would be right there with you! My whole position on this topic has been clarifying the use of "natural". God bless women who can concieve on their own, as well as those who seek a__sistance from qualified health professionals.

The word "natural" is not the problem here - although I think sometimes it is used in a context that inadvertantly slights women who have had help conceiving. The real problem is the suggestion that a conception that was aided by medicine is less miraculous...what a load of c___p. We are all aware of the complexity surrounding pregnancy, from conception to delivery, and the entire process is a miracle, regardless of where the sperm met the egg. That was just a completely insensitive, ignorant comment. Word filter next time would be helpful.

All you ladies need to GROW UP!!! why the need to carry on so much about something that should be obvious to everyone! God no child is abnormal! You asked what we meant by the word natural, when we use it and it is not to offend anyone. GET OVER IT

Very helpful and mature, "to you all", thanks for completely ignoring my post just before yours.