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hi krob and lew, well..the days during and after O i had af cramps..infact i had af cramps the day i detected the lh surge..after whihc i had those cramps (not as strong but coming and going esp in the evening) for another about 6 days until about 5-7dpo...my b___st swelled up noramlly they are hardly there and flabs of skin..and became sore..not extremely..normally the soreness would dissappear the day after O but this sorness just stayed m(my soreness is never too bad the way i test it is when i prod and press on my b___bs and nipples) also sometimes i get itching and twitching sensations and tingling sensations in my nipples and would be like what was that???...so another reason i thouhg something was up..plus their size wouldn't go down...and i decided enough is anough...and tested at 8dpo and got a post_tve HPT (mine were sensitive tests). basically my symptoms were that of O and pms whihc just never really dissapeared...as usually a day after O they normally would....i had tiwnges and dull aches in my ovaries and whole uteral area..and also..i was b__wing hot and cold during those af cramps..it really felt like af was going to start..my back and whole body genrally became quite achy....esp lower back...and these symptoms kind of kicked on 7dpo onwards...fromt then on nausea and fatigue carried on the af cramps dissapeared finannly at 7dpo only breats have stayed the same since ..hope this helps...wish heaps and heaps of baby dust....coming your way!!!!

Thank you Yas! I have been trying to conceive for 6 months nearly and I finally had one pregnant symptom that I had with my pregnancy. We I am also flat chested and I just got this chest pain right between b___b I figure that's them trying to grow. It hurts bad I thought I was having a heart attack but it wasn't internal pain really I have also had cramping on and off after o and the oing cramps were quite strong too. A positive HPT at 8 dpo ummm I am already at 8 dpo but I am too scared to take a test. I use to be a chronic tester but after months and months of negatives I have decided to wait until I have past my longest cycle today which would be 30 days that would put me testing on Dec 28 or so

i would suggest you wait until you feel af should have come and gone....so 28 is right i am sure by then if you are pregnanct you will have no doubts as symptoms will be much more prominent by then....

hi everyone...another uneventful day..i am really counting down the days now..3 days to g go for my scan appointemnt... if you notice i had to let off steam in other threads...people still obvioulsy seem to be ignorant and have no sense of trying to understand other's point of you..whereverr they get a chance they point fingeers and become judgemental...i am sorry but am really really moody..(it must be my pregnancy) but i have somewhat zero tollerance at the moment to pathetic and narrow minded opinions...so am goin off thehandle a bit...i swear if i was theer in person i'd thorw a vase at those very people..!!!!lol...they are lucky i am not!!!!lol anyway, i will all let you know how i get on...i am basically only suffereing weight gain, fatigue, nausea (not too bad) and moodyness..lol...as you can tell... i have tried to feel my uterous whihc is still deep inside my perlvis..so my big abdoment is just fat and loose muscle...darn!!!! i will definately request a special diet program to control the weight gain in order to prevent gestational diabetes...so am waiting for my first midwife appointment... please everone lese let us know how you get on.. baby dust to you all..and much love!!!

Yas, I am just trying to figure out why you came to the herbal thread and said those things???Nobody in there was in the slightest way bashing you for what you are trying to acheive...we are trying for the same thing we are just going about it differently I am sorry you are constantly badgered for what you are doing but I just don't understand why you would bash us for doing practically the same thing you are??? Anyway I forgive you for being a basketcase.

i didnt bash anyone...rm...i have nothing against anyone there...but if you read andreas posts SHE weemed to bash you guys for taking up herbal medicines in order to enhance your chances of conception of twins...you obviously didnt seem to get my last post then...just as those of you who became defencive towards her 'telling' you that you were doing something wrong and adament she was right..i wanted people like that to realize you keep doing to people like us...thats all...but i leave it at that...no point...

to just to say one thing to support Yas--sometimes is a little over the top but everyone gets to enflamed by her to really say what she is getting at she has no problem with whatever medication anyoen takes to have one three or heaven sake six babies hell I am sure she wouldn't pa__s judgement on someone who used flippin cocaine to have multiples (that is just the type of person Yas is) she was just pointing out how it feels to be constantly ridulced as she is on this forum by those who feel differently than her she was comparing her situation to that of the other womean on the natural method thread who was condemned for not being montored by vitex. By the way as point of reference I have read that Vitex does very little to help promote multiples it can be used to help regulate menestual cycles or help ease the side effects of menopause Many doctors even claim that is has no effect at all and does nothing Also many times vitex must be used over a long period 6 -18 months to have effect.

Yas, I just want you to know that I am glad that you are able to do what a lot ofr women even in these days can still not do and that is stand up for what your opinion is wheather it be right or wrong to anyone else. Now with that being said, I am going to just pretend that the other people that are on here to only ruin your thread are not here and go about talking baby stuff. I am currently TTC and starting Clomid for the second round on the 23 of Dec. I will be taking 150mg on days 2-3 and 100 mg on days 4-7 being a total of cycle days 2-7 . I will also be taking Mucinex for the loosening of the CM . I am taking 2 tablets of baby asprin a day as well as 800 mg. of folic acid a day . My DH is also taking Fertilaid ( I think that is the right name) to help increase his little guys to give us a fighting chance at this. I am truly getting excited and hoping for twins or more. I most of all want a healthy pregnancy. I am anxiously awaiting to hear about your next scan . I cant wait to find out if you have more then one in there. I dint miss a post on that yet , Have I? Never the less, I hope that you are taking it easy on your self and that your day is well for you . If you have any info and pointers for me that I could try out with bettering my chances , then I would be much obliged.

I was hoping that someone could tell me if my follis will pop off on their own without the help off a Hcg Trigger shot? I asked this in a different box as well. I am new to using this kind of thing so bear with me .

I am on supervised clomid and would like to not use the shot if I can get away with it... So if you know if the follicles will pop off without the shot please tell me .

to Silent Night: I was on clomid and didn't require the shot and got pregnant. Good luck!

Thank you . I dont want to add the extra chemicles if I can help it. I am sure that it has worked for others, but I would still like to keep it simple.

no dont really need the trigger shot to release the egg. The Dr. can time the release of the egg easier with the trigger shot is all.

Thanks... for all of the info. I am going to tell him that I dont want the trigger for now then .

Yas, I have a question for you...did you ever have a really long cycle any of the 4 rounds you were on clomid? I'm at CD34, usually I have a 29-30 day cycle, and there is no sign of AF. I was crampy earlier today for about 5 mins and that's it! I'm going crazy!! I've taken 4 hpt's and all bfn!!! I'm so ready to start my next round of clomid as I'm almost positive it's a no go this round, so as weird as it sounds because I've been ttc for so long now, but I wake up everyday praying for my AF. Any advice? Words of wisdom? Thanks!

i have been following this forum for quite a while and i was just wondering why you are taking advice about a drug from someone who has never taken it legally before. how would yas know what to look out for? how would she know what symptoms to notice that might be dangerous? i understand her posting her journey, but really, how can you rely on any advice or information from her when she herself doesn't know what she is doing? she has never discussed this with her doctor, she has never had a scan to show how she is reacting to the drug, nothing? i just don't understand why you few are coming to her for advice, rather then just reading her story and commenting on her progress. it's like the blind leading the blind around here!