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Yas - you think that maybe the clomid you took wasn't really clomid???? I dont think that we are against you using clomid its the UNPRESCRIBED part for multiples. I used clomid and my first pregnancy w/clomid was w/a singleton. So God Bless you and your healthy baby but I have to laugh because all of this advice that you are dishing out about what days to take clomid to increase multiples has proven to be a load of c___p.

i have never given advice...in case you haven't noticed..and whatever i have said is info i received from women who have taken clomid and conceived twins and more...due to it....i know you don't need to research as you have had your twins as it is..but alot of mothers on here are taking clomid p or u/p and some of us have had multiples and some not.... you se4em very ignorant and blind to what i have said and written..becasue all you do is see someone claiming they want twons or more and all you do is attack them....you don't do what we have to do and that is research....i have never given advice but merely pa__sed on info i read and was given by many others in my shoes.... i did have a twin pregnancy but it was a case of vanishing twin syndrome....but i am not bitter or sad about it because i have faith in god and whatever he decides in the end i would have excepted.... you on the other hand need to clear your heart from bitterness and ill thought...and learn to spread love and care..otherwise you will end up one day a very lonely woman indeed eeven though with triplets!!!!may god clear your heart!

Congrats on your baby, yas. I hate to say this without sounding cruel, which is not my intent, but I am glad that you are only have one. If it were twins, and with all the ladies on here looking up to you and doing the u/p clomid thing and risking their health and their babies, I think it best for it not to have worked or perhaps the u/p clomid taking would have increased tenfold.

Just curious yas, i thought your next scan wasn't until the 4th?Did you go somewhere on christmas to have another u/s? I had three sacs and was told that the third could have just been implantation blood, not really anything else, so I am just wondering on why you are so sure it was a case of a vanishing twin, since your other u/s was inclonclusive. So when are you due now?

its boxing day today and the hospital was open...when i went to the er and phoned my tech the next day to the bleeding and cramps she told me @a secret' as she called it that she would be in on boxing day (british holiday after christmas) so since my abdomen still is sore and i have pressure in my pelvis i used the oppertuny to go in and have a chat..she decided to do a scan...(which was great for me!)...thats why i got a scan to day...i think she canceled the 4th one and booked me in for another one on the 29th...to see the consultant...who will check my pelvis....

there was a second sac last time....but of different size...the reason the whole scan was inconclusive is becasue in both there was nothing to see...but today they finally saw one clear sac and one baby and one heartbeat....

onetwothree....i am one of the many women who has taken clomid and not conceived twins or more...but there have been dozen others who have and there will be more who will do...regardless of what i say here....there are a dozen post of women who have conceived multiples with clomid.....hence have been successful in doing so...we are all a statstic...i am one of a statistic...if 35% percent of women concieve twins or more on p or u/p clomid i am the other 65% who does not.....but there will always be someone else in my shoes wanting to share their experience and always be other women doing and hoping to succeed in doing what i did...some will succeed some will not...it has nothing to do with me having gotten multiples or not....i was here to 'share' MY experience with u/p clomid...and i have to announce i had NO problems with it at all...i might try again or not try next time... lol its my life my choice but god knows.....that i won't change a thing..i have no regrets whatoever and no doubts having done anything wrong at all and will be here to support anyone who has taken that decision too...i was close but not close enough...but someone else will be....to deny them the right and respect to do something they do with an open and educated mind is being plainly ignorant and unnesessarily unsupportive...i mean its their life ..we can warn, dissagree but we cannot order....and shouldnt judge....i wish everyone who is and will be in my shoes heaps of luck and well wishe and may god bless whatever you do....and guide and help you....

Believe me, women taking u/p clomid will continue to do so irregardless of what happened to YAS. As you can see on other posts, women are getting information from other women, not just YAS. Also, some women have been successful with clomid and others, not quite successful. YAS even mentioned this in her post that in her case, she feels that the clomid made no difference in her experience. Once again, she is giving her experience and not recommendations. I still believe it is cruel to say "glad she only had one baby" as well as others still condemning her for being honest with her experience. I wish YAS all the best and I want to remind everyone that it is GOD who decides our destiny's. There has been many women who have used modern science to conceive, some successful, some not. Yes, I believe Clomid should be under doctors guidance but that is just my opinion. This will not stop women from taking u/p Clomid, as you can tell from the other boards and all the women seeking information. WE ALL KNOW THAT !!! If you have a real concern with it, why not take your issues up with Congress and/or the FDA ???

EXACTLY!!!!

MCF, I don't recall in my post that I said yas was solely responsible for others taking u/p clomid. What I am saying is that there have been many posts on here with women and girls asking yas for advice and how much they look up to her. If she did succeed with conceiving twins, that would make some of these ladies who are reading her dairy daily for confirmation, to go more full force in their quest for a multiple pregnancy with u/p clomid. My stating that "I'm glad there is only one" is not cruel. I'm stating that I'm glad she won't be having a high risk pregnancy with all the worries that come with it. Look how much worry she has been through at weeks six and it is with a singleton. A multiple pregnancy is extremely more worrisome. Us multiple moms aren't making these statements because we don't want you in our "club". We aren't pulling these facts out of thin air. We have been and seen things that a lot of these ladies have never experienced and we hope that they never will. How many of these women not listening to these facts have an urn on their mantle with their stillborn's ashes in it? How many have been on a multiples grief board and see the increasing member list? How many of these ladies got their twins grave covers for Christmas? I know women who live with this for I am one of them. I am not being cruel, I am being protective for no one should have to bury their child. There is NOTHING harder. Yas, I am open minded. I believe that is you that has been very closed minded in seeing the poor choices that you have made. You have been very closed minded to any good advice and actually getting very angry at people who don't agree with you and calling them names like "closed minded and uneducated". I find that very sad. Most of the advice came from women who actually have multiples yet you have pooh-poohed them as if they don't know what they are talking about or where they are coming from. Regardless, I do wish you a very happy and healthy pregnancy.

Onetwothree.......to some degree, I understand where you are coming from but why continue to focus solely on YAS and her experiences when there are many other women on the board proceeding with u/p clomid irregardless. I don't see where YAS is promoting this. No doubt, multiples are high risk pregnancies but clomid is not the sole source of multiples. Look at how many women have invitro. Statistically, I believe invitro results in more multiple births than clomid...my opinion only. Yes, multiple births can result in a higher casualty rate but some are very successful. Infertility specialists generally will inseminate 2 plus eggs which could result in multiple births. Any type of multiple birth, albeit Clomid and Invitro is risky so I a__sume that what you really mean is that modern science has gone too far and should not be practiced? I am not missing your point about u/p clomid....as I mentioned, I do agree but Clomid has taken off and women will use it no matter what and more than likely, improperly (which could be even more life threatening), unless someone relays their experience. With the relayed experience, women can get feed back that may also allow them to make a more educated decision on whether or not to proceed. Mind you, information being provided can go both ways to include detering someone from proceeding. Do you honestly think that just because YAS has one baby, it will stop women from proceeding with u/p clomid? Not in the least. There have been too many women who have posted claiming to have had multiples from u/p clomid. Once again, I do not condone u/p clomid but I don't see where it is beneficial to attack one person providing their experience. It would be more beneficial if women would pa__s on their experience taking u/p clomid and any health conditions or factors they have experienced to allow women to make a decision based on risk factors. By all means, if you have that experience as well as anyone else, please pa__s it on and I truly doubt anyone will attack you for information you would be so kindly providing based your experience.

Ladies, you are relentless. In most recent posts by YAS, I did not see where she was giving advice, just her experience. I haven't looked at prior posts but from what she has recently professed, it appears she is trying to keep from giving advice, just experience. I cannot and will not continue to defend her because your responses are rather cruel and hurtful and I do not want to continue feeding into an open wound, figuratively speaking. Take care Ladies.

You show me where in the heck I posted I am against modern day science and I will eat my hat. Doctors put more than one embryo during IVF because these women CANNOT conceive on their own and that ups their chances for ONE healthy baby. They are NOT shooting for multiples. I am not attacking Yas all over the place. I am posting on her diary that she is keeping solely to show her experience with u/p clomid which is pretty useless since she wasn't being monitored so who knows what was going on with her body. To see women on here asking Yas medical questions about their side affects with clomid and her answering them made me scream! Finally, the reason a lot of ladies on here get upset with Yas is because she is one of if not the biggest u/p clomid advocate on here.

Ladies, your point is well taken, but I still think there is a better way of expressing your opinion without being so offensive and making crude remarks that could hurt someone. People come on to these forums to share information. You guys are turning this forum into a Jerry Springer show. If you have information which contradicts those who are providing information, by all means, that is what people want to know & hear about. If you have taken prescribed clomid, I am sure you know the risk factors as mentioned by your doctors. When women ask questions, please relay this to them so they can make an educated decision on whether or not to proceed. Honestly, that is more helpful to women rather than following one person and bullying her into silence. You will gain more respect this way as well as be more effective in what you are trying to accomplish, which is trying to keep women from harming themselves. Take care ALL !!!

i am sorry onetwothree....but sometimes the best cases in trying to understand in what the effects are of any drug comes from people who have taken it, expereinced it (thats where/how doctors and medics get their diagnosis and info from too)....whether u/p or p.....i have never give advice but merely given my experiences....because like me there are other woman who have already 'chosen' to take clomid unprescribed...in some cases they are not as lucky as me..i get medical care regardless of what and how i have taken it...but some of you come from the states or countries where this may not be the case and insurance and other factors make it a bit immpossible for them to seek info incase something where to feel 'funny' or go wrong with them...i am here (one of many) to share my expereicne so if they have similar problems they can be warned, may need to rethink their steps, may need to seek medical attention due to it or are stressing over nothing....thats is the support i provide...in the end it is their choice just as it was mine to do it this way...i havent encouraged it...i haven't forced it on anyone...and i am not going to be biased and tell them not to do it when i am myself doing it... so you need to cease to scream....if women ask me they have strange symptom whihc may be similar to mine and i have that too..i will tell them what i will find it helpful and visa versa to tell them what i have done about it and what i have found out about it but i will still make it clear that that may not be the case with them...in the end everyone should get themselves checked regardless of what anyone like me says on here..but it gives some rea__surance...i have done it so many times and it has helped...and you do it too...asking other triplet mum's about their experience with a particular problem may not necessarily be 'your' solution but it give you 'one' side of the coin..the other side is for you to investigate and find out more about....sharing information with me is just as usful for anyone who is taking unprescribed clomid and not been monitored just as it is to you with another triplet mother....so stop getting uptiht about it...some people here need people like me....whtether or not those of you like it....who are against it....if it is not me it will be someone else....

Could you imagine if studies were done by a DR giving a 3 months supply of a drug and telling you "just log daily how you feel". That would be completely useless. They need vitals, physical follow-ups, scans, comparisons and this goes on for years with hundreds of subjects. Logging about a cramp could be anything from gas to something serious connected to the u/p clomid. We can't tell what it is without a physical exam. If you really want to be helpful, go around asking tons of DR's how they feel about this and then posts their answers here. Or better yet, encourage them to start a real study of clomid use on women who ovulate regularly. But denying or not seeing the severity of what you are doing and encouraging u/p clomid use is nothing more than dangerous.