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Thanks. I read it and all I can say is my kid is not getting vaccinated until 3 or so and only a teta__s shot.

hey thanks for the link. i printed it out for my doctor

doesnt work for me

oh i see, remove the - dash thingy

doctors wont get the shots good god?!

Hi, I also noticed that my daughters diapers sometimes smell very vinegary. She is 5 1/2 months old. It isn't an every day occurance-she is also exclusively b___stfed. She is also one of those babies who only has a bowel movement 1-2 times a week but isn't constipated. I thought it might also be a hind-foremilk imbalance but it's not green.

You mustn't have read up on vaccines as much as you say you have, not that this post is about that, but vaccines are not 100% guaranteed to keep your children from getting those diseases. There are plenty of children in school nowadays who are not vaccinated - if vaccines really work then what harm is there in letting your 'perfectly protected' child socialize among those who aren't vaccinated? and as far as giving disease nowhere to hide? that's purely hopeful speculation. diseases can mutate and begin to affect us in ways they weren't really supposed to - case in point the chickenpox vaccine is keeping cp from kids but now it's striking teens and adults, when it's MUCH more dangerous. The majority of the diseases we vaccinate against are not even deadly in this day and age.

I don't have a problem sending my fully vaccinated children out to public schools or any where else. It's my new non-vaccinated baby that is the one in danger. I understand that there are risks and that nothing ever works 100%. It's been so long since there were widespread outbreaks of the diseases I think the general public has lost their fear of them. All of the diseases are very dangerous and can have life altering complications. Polio cripples, Mumps causes deafness, Measles can cause blindness, German measles (Rubella) can damage the valves in the heart, Whooping cough can kill babies and very small children. I'm not willing to risk the life or long term health of my children. I have spoken to my doctor, her children all recieve the same shots that mine do. I'm afraid this is one of those topics that no one is willing to budge on. Certianly no one is going to change my mind on the subject. I just hope that people will do their own research and make what they feel is the appropriate decision. I also hope that they accept responsibility for what ever the consequences of their decision may be.

"It's been so long since there were widespread outbreaks of the diseases I think the general public has lost their fear of them. " Exactly. This is exactly it. People have done so much research they don't remember that the reason kids in America aren't dying of these diseases is because they introduced the vaccine. In third world countries children are still dying of polio. People are campaigning to get money to give them the vaccines so they won't die. In another 50 years or so when the disease has been eradicated in those countries, people will be campaigning to stop giving them the vaccine. It's a vicious cycle I guess.

you said: "People have done so much research they don't remember that the reason kids in America aren't dying of these diseases is because they introduced the vaccine." Not entirely true. Disease rates were going down steadily long before the advent of vaccines. Proper health care and sanitation also have their place, and it's a very high place. Wild polio has been gone from this country for decades - the only cases of polio since then in the Western hemisphere were caused by the oral polio vaccine.

There was a recent polio outbreak among the Amish in Michigan. While rare, Polio is still around. As far as dropping rates of infection are concerned they may have dropped incrementally, but only after the vaccines were introduced did the rates plummet. Mumps-causes permanant deafness in 1 per 2,000 cases. Before the vaccine there was an average of 200,000 new cases and 30 deaths a year. In 1998 there were 600 new cases and no deaths. Measles-causes permanent brain damage in 1 per 1,000 cases. Prior to 1963 almost everybody got it before age 20. There has since been a 99% reduction in the measles rate since the vaccine was introduced. New cases are imported from unvaccinated immigrants. Rubella- most dangerous in pregnant women. If it is contracted while pregnant 85% will misscarry or have serious congenital defects. In the 1963-64 11,000 women misscarried and 20,000 babies were born with serious defects. Now less then 1,000 people contract the illness with less then 10 infants born a year with defects. The DTaP vaccine is the only one that gives me personally any concern. It does have the highest rate of side effects and the lowest rate of protection. Unfortunately, it's the only one available and Pertussis is one of the most contagious bugs out there. It's not recommended after age 7 since people rarely die from it after that age. Some people will believe any rumor or anything that is written on the internet. I have no doubt that some people have had serious complications due to adverse reactions to some vaccinations. I just want the people who are "on the fence" to check with their own healthcare providers and do their own research rather then believe a bunch of strangers in some forum.

There was no WILD polio outbreak (in Minnesota among the Amish, not Michigan). The outbreak was from the virus used in oral polio vaccines. They have no idea how the children got it, but none were affected. 95% of the time, polio doesn't affect (with paralysis and other symptoms) people who catch it. There have, on the other hand, been outbreaks of measles among completely vaccinated populations.

The doctors have not determined where exactly the virus has come from. The index case was a 7 month old immunocompromized little girl. Since her diagnosis, 3 more people have been found with the disease. Unfortunately, at this time vaccinations are our first line of defence against these terrible diseases. The only other way to protect ourselves would be to close our borders and never leave the house. I'll readily admit that NOTHING works 100%-that's just life and the way it is. But until there is something else out there, I choose the second best option. It's a free country, do what you want. I will stick to my origional statement, "If I found out there was an unvaccinated child at my daycare provider's, I would pull my unvaccinated baby." My provider and I have discussed this, and she didn't allow unvaccinated children anyway. There is a ton of information and propaganda out there, both pro and con. It's up to us parents to make the decision we feel is best for our own children. While the chance of Polio causing death or life long dissability is low, if it's your child-who cares what the statistics say. Likewise, you think you are doing a good thing by vaccinating, now your kid has a permanent brain injury from a bad allergic reaction. I understand both sides, and choose to vaccinate. What others do is up to them, I don't have to agree with it, but I also won't put my child at what I feel is unnessisary risk.

YES, the scientists may not have determined WHERE the virus CAME from, but they HAVE determined it is the virus from the oral polio vaccine. So being vaccinated or not has nothing to do with this particular case, since it was the vaccine that caused it. And for an additional clarification, those Amish who have been found with the disease in their systems have not been affected BY the disease. Believe me, if it was a true case of WILD POLIO, which it isn't, the media would still be talking about it and your ped would be givnig cautions up the wazoo.

She's right, Vanasaragwen, the Washington Post says: "The outbreak was discovered by chance on Sept. 29 after the first child -- a 7-month-old infant with a severe immune deficiency disease -- was tested for another problem in August. Yesterday's announcement reveals the microbe is circulating among healthy children in the isolated community, which has about 200 people in 24 families. Polio causes paralysis in about one in every 200 infections. The virus that all four children are carrying is derived from the oral polio vaccine. That vaccine has not been used in the United States since 2000, in part because it causes paralysis in about one of every 13 million doses administered. American children now get an injected vaccine. The oral vaccine, which is still used in most places in the world, is made of a live but severely weakened strain of polio virus. The vaccine virus can be pa__sed person to person, although it rarely becomes part of a prolonged "chain of transmission" because most people in a population are vaccinated and cannot be infected. Occasionally, however, a vaccine strain circulates for years, pa__sed from one unvaccinated child to another. When that happens, it undergoes genetic mutation that can restore the dangerousness of the "wild" virus. Jane Seward, a vaccine expert at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said genetic fingerprinting of the Minnesota strain shows it is about 2.3 percent different from the vaccine strain. This suggests it has been circulating for a little more than two years." The media just tries to hype everything up without giving the real details about things. Case in point: bird flu.

My son died last week from vaccines. I am on a mission to put an end to this madness. You will not know my pain, and I hope you all never do. I laughed and dismissed information regarding the dangers and here I am, preparing a funeral. Wake up people. Please