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lgraywolf - I had 2 MC's in the past year and had a myo in March to remove 3 huge 'roids. I am 7w1d. I am also 38! The 'roids were in the middle layer, really close to the lining, but not in the lining, not "inside" the uterus. I pray I don't have scar tissue like you described. My first scan is this Friday (7w4d) and O am sacred. I did do HCG testing at around four weeks and it was low, but tripled in 48 hours, and the progesterone was very strong. Are you saying you MCd because of scar tissue from the myo? How long ago did you have it?

MelissaK- I had mine in March of 2004 and didn't get pregnant for the first time until May 2005. They just keep calling the MC's as missed miscarriages with no explaination but on the sonos they notice some bleeding around the sacs which they say could be scarring from the myomectomy, causing no blood circulation to the sac for the embryo. My fibroids were in the lining of the uterus protruding outward but not inside the uterus. Don't be scared. They have never said that is the reason for the MC's but that's their best guess. They spots show up all the time on my sonos and my OB doesn't even know for sure that that's where the fibroids use to be because it was a specialist who had removed them. Have you heard a heartbeat yet? almost 8 weeks is good! it gives me hope becasue both mine had quit growing at 5 weeks with no heartbeats.

Hi lgraywolf - Today is 7w4d and I will have my first scan late this afternoon. I am so nervous. Yes, my 'roids were in the lining too potruding outwards. My OB actually did the surgery, and the 2 previous DCs so I guess that is good as she knows my uterus better than I do... lol. She was very excited with our bfp and our hcg results a few weeks ago and requested the U/S last week - but I pushed it out one more week because I want to be SURE we will see HBs, or whatever, that reality will be set, and there won't be any wishy washy comments like "let's wait another week, etc." If we make it through today with HBs and happy news, my sights are going to be set squarely on week 11 where I plan to get CVS. I can't handle have anything happen later on. I want to know now! So I can prepare accordingly. Plus the doc who does the CVS is one of the pioneers of the procedures from Yale so we're in good hands. lgraywolf , this time aroud I am doing this on my terms. I am taking the tests that are offered, I am not letting the constant "we just don't know comments" from the docs get me down. If we have an issue, I say resolve it fast so we can try again and I plan to keep a steady "head" on. . If I have to try 100 times, I will at this point (actually we're lucky in that we got pregnant on the first shot all 3 times now). But HOPEFULLY, this is the ONE!! Nerves!!! We have not even told anyone!

MelissaK -Well, Wednesday evening I started spotting so I took a pregnancy test and it was negative so I took another and it too was negative. That morning I had taken the blood test and was going to get the results the next day but by late that night it was a full b__wn period and I was devastated. When I had gotten the 2 positive urine tests just days before they were digital so there was no misinterpretation of the results. After having gotten the negatives I read the pamphlet and went on their website and it had stated you could not get a false positive unless it was related to something medical and it gave examples for false positives. On Thursday the doctor’s office called back and said my test was negative and I asked why I had gotten positives and she said that happens all the time. Not according to the pregnancy tests themselves. I explained the pamphlet and she just said “ok”, with no other possible answers. I think it’s time for a new OB myself. Every time I have a miscarriage they just say there is no testing they can do because there is not enough fetal tissue. Just keep trying and then they act like they’re sick of seeing me each time I get pregnant. Like I’m a joke or something. Anyway, Everything sounds really good for you. I would like to know, for future reference, how your scan turns out so I can have some hope for the next time. Good luck and let me know!

lgraywolf - I hate to hear what just happended to you. And I hate to write this post but my scan showed an empty sac. There was a yolk sack and nothing else. So it looks like I had a missed MC. I am really mad. I had a blood test yesterday and will have the 2nd on Sunday but the doc said it does not look normal. I hate that I have to have another D and C. I can't believe this is my 3rd MC and I even had that incredibly invasive surgery in March and still am having a MC. It's so unfair. They think they saw 2 sacks but weren't sure, the 2nd sack they think might be scar tissue, so I guess I have scar tissue as well. Aaargh! I guess we'll keep on trying and I hate to have to wait again. I turned 38 in May and I hate that I might be one of those 40 year old stories. I don't know, my optimism is in the toilet right now (not literally).

By th way, keep trying. I know it's hard. At least for us we get pregnant fast but it does not help when they keep going away.

I am soooooo sorry for you. This sounds all too familiar. You are right, we should be positive since we can get pregnant. That’s actually more than I expected to begin with. When they saw what looked like scar tissue in my past scans, it looked to me like a sac as well but they were sure it was some sort of scarring. With my 1st MC the sac was empty too, no fetal pole. The second was empty until about week 5 and then they thought they saw a pole but no heartbeat. I carried both until my 12th week but couldn’t take feeling pregnant and knowing that nothing would come of it so I had opted for the D&Cs instead of waiting for them to happen naturally. I know how you feel. I just turned 38 at the end of April and I feel the same way about being 40. I swore to myself I would have a child before I was 40 otherwise I didn’t want to have one after then but the closer I get, the more it doesn’t matter how old I am. I’m just so afraid for the child’s health beyond that age. I am really really sorry. It hurts to get this far and have that feeling ripped from you. I’m sure you’ll have another scan before you make any decisions, correct? Please let me know what they say. I know if it doesn’t turn out positive, the last thing you want to do is post anything more about the pregnancy but there are so many people who have some of the same issues who find it difficult to get any information because usually the people who MC aren’t inspired to discuss it afterwards. You’re in my prayers.

We;ll, my HCG went from 21000 to 22000 in the 48 hour test. Soi we will do another US on Thursday. So I am being dragged thorugh the emotional nightmare now. Exactly what I wanted to avoid. My hope it still slim that this will be resolved. None of this is normal.

MelissaK -Chin up!! Miracles are possible!

I don't know. I calculated my hcg from the first test I had - which was really really low - 67. But anyway if it had doubled like it was supposed to over the last few weeks, it should be around 100k +, not 22,000. I hate this! It's so unfair, I swear! And we keep making light iof the situation over here. I mean, it's not our first MC and we're so sick of the drama and disappointment. My Dh keeps talking about my poor abused uterus. All my uterus has been good for is surgical procedures the last year! Removing obstacles not delivering babies!

MelissaK -Actually, my doctor had told me once that around 7-8 weeks the doubling thing doesn't necessarily apply much because the doubling starts to slow down and/or they don't have to double as long as they're within the ranges for how many weeks pregnant you are. He basically told me not to put too much into your HCG levels. I did the same thing and it drove me nuts. Sometimes you just do have to make light of it. If you can't laugh it off then it will drive you crazy. I use to pray that everything would work out and I wouldn't MC and I would be able to carry a baby to term now I just pray that I can get through another MC without a mental breakdown, if I had to go through it again. At least I can get pregnant.

lgraywolf - So you're alot like me it looks like. I'm just going to keep trying and trying and trying, again and again and again until it sticks! I agree, I just want to get through this without the mental breakdown! The loss at 14 weeks was the worst (one year ago - how special to celebrate with yet another MC, and also tommorrow is our 12th wedding annivesary. How special to YET AGAIN spend it depressed). I was a complete basket caseafter the one at 14 weeks though, completely blindsided and most likely the fibroids were the issue. I took up very hard core exercise at that time to shake the depression out, but it took months to get it back together again. I was a mESS and I am normally a together person. At least the last 2 MCs happended very early on. This time there is not even a fetus that developed, so there is really nothing to mourn I guess, just another lost opportunity. Ho hum, let's get on with it so I can heal up and try yet again!

MelissaK - that's funny you mention having taken up excercise hard core after that MC. I joined the Navy reserves because of mine. I gave lots of excuses for having joined but in the end I really think it was because of the MC. At 14 weeks huh? Was that before your surgery to remove the fibroids? So you've had 2 or 3 MC already? You say early on but the 14 weeks isn't early on so I was confused.

Well, in May 2005 we were pregnant with twins, the first pregnancy. I lost the first twin at 7 weeks due to chromosomes. The second we lost at 14.5 weeks. They think probably fibroids, that second trimester problem. The placenta blood test showed irregularities too, from twin #1. Final testing later showed twin #2 was normal. in December, we became pregnant with twins again, but they never had HBs, so we finally had a D and C at 8 weeks. They think fibroids again, one was huge and was calcified. I was seeing a specialist at the time. So then the myo in March, with a botched incision hat looked pathetic. Then plastic surgery May 19 to fix the botched incision. The we got pregnant this time on our first try in June. And here we are. I've totally thrown in the towel on this one. At least I will have another scan to be sure though. I guess if we can get this taken care of we can try again in October... I feel like this is dragging out forever. I already had some wine last night, another form of self medication. But at 14 weeks, that really rips your heart out.

MelissaK -I don’t blame you on the wine. I would have done the same thing. Oh wait, I have. I can understand the 14 weeks loss. I lost one at 5 ½ months about 17 years ago. It was devastating but I was young and got pregnant again very quickly afterwards and she was the best baby ever. My incision was also botched. I feel like I’m a kangaroo. To make matters worse, the doctor is a specialist. She pulled the lower section of skin up too high (pubic area) and didn’t pull the upper section down low enough so now I have this lovely flap I have to tuck into a swimsuit if I were to wear a 2 pc. Sorry if that was TMI. I did not get the plastic surgery though. I keep telling my husband that if we never have a baby that I get a tummy tuck and b___b lift in exchange. He just laughs and says that same old same old “ oh honey, you’re beautiful just like you are” as he looks at the tall, slender, tight bodied females walk by.

lgraywolf - That was EXACTLY what happended with my incision, I had this huge skin flap. Look into it though, it only cost $700 to fix. It does not require a full b__wn tummy tuck. I thought it would cost thousands. When they quoted $700, I was like "I'M IN!!" and I had it done 4 days later. I am really happy I did too because at that point I was pretty mad to have no baby and and disfigurement instead! This is gross but they cut a 8' x 3" x 1" (deep) chunk of skin out and sewed it up tight. They did it in the doc office - no hospital required and pretty much no pain. Just stinging the day after and that went away really fast. And yeah, a b___b job is very tempting as each time I get knocked up, they grow and it's pretty exciting, and then they deflate (lol).