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I'll tell you that having a natural birth,hurt me far worse than the section.If I could not have a section then I would not have had baby number two,that is a fact,no way.As for the epidural,it does not always work that way,my dear.I was begging for pain relief some did not take,others made me be sick.I waited for the epidural,it did not take,others I have spoken to either got there too late for the epi,or it did not work for them either.You can get little girls of 16 having babies,who have not had a life themselves,but the most important thing is how you raise the child,not howe it entered the world in this day and age.My sister-in-law,her last natural birth took 2 hours,start to finish,her 4th,as she said a bit looser down there...charming! I think she should not have had any,she has no control over her kids but there we go.If someone wants to have a child,and have thought it through,then it is up to them in this day and age how they choose to.

Perhaps your sister is "a bit looser" down there, but I'll bet 9 out of 10 women have a flap of skin or flab after just ONE c-section and it gets "prettier" with age and any added pounds...charming as well. Childbirth itself sucks...the babies are the only reason we do it either way.

I stated my opinion, you stated yours, I'm not going to attack you for it... so don't do that to me. My age has nothing to do with what I say. And to Marcie, yes you're right, the only thing that matters in the end is how you treat and raise your child. And no, I don't agree with you on it being our choice of how we give birth... obviously the doctor knows more than the patient... he's not going to do it if he feels there is unneccessary risk... I'd rather go through pain myself than endager my child for a procedure that isn't needed.

To Momma2lacey, do you mean you had a child v____ally, and then one by c-section? Or did you labor first, then have a c-section? I've only had c-sections, but from what I understand, the worst part of a v____al birth is at the very end...I have a friend who tore all the way through to her rectum, even my mom tore horribly and had to be resewn several times when she had my little sister...I think that sort of thing only happens when the baby's head is coming out. And if you couldn't feel the contractions, they must have given you something...demerol is very similar to morphine, if that's what they gave you. My second c-section was planned--they tried to induce my labor for my first baby for 2 days, and I never dialated at all...I refused to try a v____al birth for my second. A planned c-section is a lot easier on your body than one when you've been laboring first. It's not really fair either to make fun of women who are scared to give birth, especially by saying you weren't scared at 17. I certainly wasn't pregnant at 17, but at 17 I wasn't scared of anything...it's only when you get older and realize that bad things CAN happen to you personally, and that there are some things you never recover totally from, that you start being scared of things. It's a feeling that comes with age, along with a tolerance for others' points of view and not thinking everyone 20+ is old.

I chose a c-section and if I could take it back I would with all my heart. Don't do it, I have a hole that won't heal after 10 months, 3 surgeries later, still an open, infected wound with no end in sight. Please don't demand a c-section like I did...I got exactly what I asked for, a hole cut in my abdomen.

glad you agree with me that the only thing that matters is how you raise the child,not how it enetered this world.A doctor will actually give you a section if you request one,not all places apparently,but around my way.As I said,I would not have had the 2nd otherwise.To Charlene,yes apparently you do get looser down there with more children,you can work your perinem to try and tone it,but apparently it will never go right back.You can have a flap above your scar with a c,but the scar fades to nothing,and the flap will go,as you get older there's more to worry about.To me neither of that worries me just part of being a mother,the point is a women should be able to choose,in this day and age.To JBear who has never had a v____al birth,all I can say is I felt on my own I did not think the pain in my tummy could get worse,and it did,the meds did not take.The "crowning"was bad,very very painful,they told me on the next contraction they would cut,and I would not feel it,what a lie,I thought I was going to die.I was sore afterwards too,all these people who say as soon as the baby is there you forget the pain,or its gone,not with me!

as far as i know, doctors don't like to do a c section unless they really have too but my doctor gave me a choice and i chose to have a c section since my first one was a c section....

No offense, Marcie, but I had a section and then a fantastic VBAC recently, and the lead expert on my intimate size has stated that there is absolutely NO difference and not to be crude, but our joint experiences have been better than ever. My doctor said it has to do with genetics, and individual skin/tissue elasticity...I got no stretchmarks, and have really good skin and muscle tone over all of my body and the v____al delivery didn't hurt me one bit. The only evidence of childbirth I have is the less than beautiful hip-to-hip c-section scar, and the two kids! Oh, and by the way, I don't have a roomy pelvis nor am I a bigger girl, I am in fact, very small so it is not like I am built to pop out babies. I think it is a disservice to infer that v____al deliveries ruin women down there, that is not true in many a case. It is a fact that c-sections DO change you forever, inside and out just like a difficult v____al may.

bella,I have read it in books,and before I had kids,talked to my sister-in-law who at that time had 3 kids,she agreed that after a v____al birth,and the more you have,the more obvious it is,your perineum,will not return to its pre-pregnany (birthing)state,no matter how much excercise you do,it will never be the same.It explains why future children are often born quicker than the 1st,things have already been stretched.However,I do not have an issue with that,I could not care less whether it goes back or not,no-one's going to see it,just like the c-section scar,that fades to almost invisable.I am only saying,that for whatever her reasons a woman should be able to elect the type of birth she feels happier with,if it is a section,in this day and age,then so be it.for the record,you would not be able to tell that I had a section if you met me naked!...sorry about that,not a nice thought!

your doctor should deny you the c section. The c section is for complications with childbirth, not because you dont feel like having your child naturally. I have many friends who have kids and many who dont, and 2 of the ones who dont, did not want to go through labour delivery, embarra__sment, loss of control, so they did what they should have opted to NOT have kids if they could "deal" with it. I am pregnant with my 5th child and am being forced to have my second c section, due to complications with my last son being born early at 2 pounds and having to have a cla__sical incision, i cant have any sympathy for one who chooses this out of laziness and fear, i was 18 when i had my first NATURALLY and terrified but i did it.

I don't know what to say except that that was just really rude, kuhaaica. Really, really rude.

I agree with Heather,to the post before that,was a unkind,stupid thing to say.It really is stupid.Who the hell are you to say that your friends..some friends,opted,as they should and not had children,because of fear of childbirth?With little understanding as you seem to have,then maybe you are the one who should not have had children...not nice is it? No,in this day and age,with medical advances if a women,for whatever her reason,wishes an elective cesarean than good for her.Women have the rough deal giving birth,so why should they not have a choice?We get a choice in pain management.The surgery,although said "major operation",is done everyday,so many everywhere,that ok,you'll have the expected pain afterwards,but you will live,you will recover,otherwise the operation would not be done for someone's wishes,breech,baby too big even,the doctors would not risk the life of the mother,and there is no doubt,this operation is commen place in todays world.

Look up the definition in a medical dictionary of "major operation"...you will find the reasons a person may in fact NOT live from even a simple invasive procedure. Were the mortalities in the stats fict_tious? What is your definition of "common" there were over 100,00 hreart by-pa__ses done regionally in our area last year, exponentially that means world-wide it is a very common procedure....and while the deaths are due in many cases to the health of the patient going in, your use of the word "common" is meaningless in the argument for safe. Liposuction is "common" and people die everyday from a COSMETIC procedure.

I'd find a new doctor that can take your concerns seriously. I am due in March with my second child and have requested a c-section. I explained my reasons and my doctor did not have a problem with it.

I agree with you jo.It is a very commen operation,and you will live.The post after yours said,which I would have expected to be true,and obvious,the state and health of a patient.A women of childbearing age,should be,generally talking,pretty healthy,so there is no reason why she should not recover.If they can do emergency operations,when complications arise and both mother and baby are generally ok,then its pretty obvious an elected c-section will be easier for all parties.There are those who may not live having an operation,but you get those who would die from natural childbirth if the c-section was not an option.I agree that this is certainly a very commen procedure.I forget the stats, is it 1 in 5 end up in a c-section?It's something like that,so pretty commen!

Yeah, and it's pretty sad so many women are willing to jump unbder a knife.