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This is my first time on here,and I have just read through this posting.Jamie,you said to Marcie to continue spreading misinformed information.I think that Marcie does have strong views,but they are justified.For instance,I know of people who ended up having cesareans,one said she was in pain in the recovery but is ok now,she said she picked up an infection,others have said it was not as bad as they expected.The point is,exactly as Marcie says,it not a life or death situation.I may have to have a cesarean and came on here for information,I feel more comfortable in trying to come to terms with the fact that thousands of women have this operation done and they recover.I worry about the recovery,but others have gone through it.As Marcie rightly points out,if these operations were so dangerous they would be done rarely,and I agree you would hear more bad reports,I have heard none.Marcie.I thank you for pa__sing on information which I feel is truthful,your points does make sense.Jamie,why are you so against her? I read Marcie's last posting and it really does make sense,it seems "obvious"as she points out.

Ummm....I think some posters are the same person, with psuedoyms attached to other posts in support of said person. Seems a little strange that only one prolific posters gets so much support and accolade.

I do NOT believe that last poster is the Jamie that has been posting on here for awhile. Marcie, it is no secret that the other Jamie does not agree with your view of c-section birth, but the last rude poster is either a vicious person or stupid if they are tyring to pretend to be the other Jamie. That Jamie presents in RED.

Ok, Marcie, it does appear by the writing style that you are backing yourself up with "other" posters who agree with you. Anyhow, Colleen, just read up a bit on the cesarean procedure, the risks and benefits in certain situations and have some plan B help lined up just in case. It also helps to ask family members if any of them have had anesthesia reactions or weird situations during and after surgeries. In my case I had no idea the females on my mom's side vomit profusely after any kind of anesthesia and pain meds. Awful thing to be unprepared for! Have you decided on where you are going to birth?

Whoever the last "Jamie"was,it did not get to me,c sections are not for losers,and that really is a cheap saying.As for others writing in my style,ok,but it is not me.Cherrie,thank you for sticking up for me,I agree why me out of some of the others?There again,I suppose I do stand out,always keeping on.However,the fact remains the same,if they were that dangerous,we would hear more bad things about it,and people who had the operation,would give more bad comments.I do not need to pretend to be someone else I have views and ?I'll say them whether loads believe and support me,or no-one.

I sure would love to be in the room with (fake) "Jamie" when/if the doctor tells her SHE has to have an emergency C-section. Wonder who the "loser" would be then? (That KARMA thing can be a real b___h. Good luck with that.) I tried to have my baby natural. Wouldn't take anything for pain either. It was six hours before they told me she was Frank Breech. So, "loser" that I am, I had to be taken away to the operating room to be “CUT UP”. You see, my water broke at home almost 12 hours beforehand. I did labor ... HARD (with that evil a__s pitocin drip). And the real topper is I had told my OB about 10 days prior that I FELT my baby flip breech. She didn't listen. She a__sured me that she was head down ... as she felt with her hands. (Never did an ultrasound after I said that.) Now that I've had the c-section & I'm pregnant again, I'm choosing another C-section. My friend tried a VBAC. She had to bury her infant son after experiencing a very traumatizing uterine rupture, nearly dying, nearly having a hysterectomy, & him fighting for his life for 15 days. Call me a loser. And then ask me if I care.

These posts are getting rediculous! You ladies are acting like children. If someone wants a c, then that is their issue-to call names and hope for others to get cut open??? That is crazy! I wouldn't wish a section on anyone...Some women feel that if a c is reccommended then that is whats best, others feel like they missed out-there is nothing any of you can do or say to change the way these women feel, there is no way to argue the fact that some have had poor outcomes after a section and some come out just fine. Anything as invasive as going into the body and removing anything has its risks-especially for a section becuase you have 2 lives to take care of in the process. I am thankful that we have such medical advancements so that I had my baby. My doc told me that had it been 100 years ago, we both would have died-to be told that afterwards-I am grateful for technology. I didn't think that I would have any trouble having a v____al birth-I didn't read up on c's, but now with my second I found this whole world of "pro" and against-personally-my experience was alright. But I wouldn't ask for one if my doc knew that there was a safe chance to have this baby naturally. But to name call-about a topic that is a real senstive issue for some is a shame. There are many people that have had bad experiences-many on this site-just look through some of the other threads and what these ladies have dealt with proves that it is a major surgery-common-but major all the same. You can't argue that...as my doc was rushing me to the OR, she told me that one of the biggest thingsthat happen during emegency c's is that the baby gets cut!! She told me that it doesn't happen often but if it does-the baby may require st_tches-who wants to be told that?? But it is a risk none the less. This is a never ending cycle...

also, if it wasn't such a major surgery-it would probably be done as an outpatient procedure, go in do it-go homw, but they don't! And, Kristi-I will join the loser group with you! becuase I labored hard for 3 days with contractions 1-5 minutes apart-trying for a v____al-and then they gave me the pitocin and that was it the baby had had enough! His heart rate dropped-I had the pitocin for only 1 minute-doc said that I can't have pitocin-its too hard on the baby. So, at that point I just wanted him to be ok....but to be called a loser for it-sad...

My baby girl was cut. Two slices, side by side, to be exact. They didn't even tell us. When my husband pointed it out he was told by a nurse, "Oh that? She got sc___ped during the section. That won't even leave a scar." (It didn't look bad enough for st_tches.) WELL ... three years later, she still has the scar on her hip. We joke & say ... "Well, darn ... guess that's the ends her possible future as a stripper."

Kristi.I am sorry to hear about your friend loosing her baby.I hope that your pregnancy and c-section goes well.To Jenn,I would have hated to have been in hard labour,only to have been told that it has to be an emergency c-section.Like I said,and operation is a risk,I agree but it is considered "safe"After I had my c-section I am glad I stayed in hospital a few days.It was great to have the nurses about,and the drugs were fine for me,you are not talking weeks though! I am sorry that you also laboured and then ended up with a c-section.We are not losers,going through pregnancy then birthing our babies,in whichever method.I feel it is more important how you raise them than how you birth them!

I go away for a few days, and miss someone trying to pretend to be me. From what I gather, inappropriate comments made by someone calling themselves Jamie have been removed, but that the fake Jamie said something along the lines of c-sections being for losers? Hmm...well, to whomever you are, next time, pretend to be someone who didn't have a c-section. I can't say that they're for losers, because I had an emergency c-section, and while I regret the necessity of it, and strenuously advise against elective c's for first pregnancies, I cannot deny that the c-section probably saved my daughter's life. C-sections in and of themselves are not the "easy way" out, and anyone who says they are needs to experience one. I still say that no woman should have an elective c-section for her first pregnancy, because the c-section destroys the very choice the woman is exercising.

Don't worry Jamie. No one thought that was you for even a second. (Karma will strike the fake Jamie. And THAT makes me happy.) My first one was an emergency C-section too. Man! I hated that it came down to that. I wanted to “do it” all on my own. My “birth plan” went right out the window. My water had broken on it’s own the morning I had her. Six hours later … nothing, not even a tiny sign of labor. So, they started me on pitocin. (HOLY CRAP! That hurt!) I never once asked for any pain meds or an epidural. That was something I stated in my “birth plan” that I was sticking to. In fact, when I got a chance (in-between contractions) I told my husband to warn the stupid nurse about asking me (over & over) DURING my contractions. If I wanted it, I’d ask for it after the contraction since I couldn’t TALK during one. (DUH!) I was trying to remember to BREATHE instead of holding my breath. So, when she’d ask me I’d give her a death look & insanely shake my head “NOOOOO!!!” I know for sure that I would have done the entire birth thing without pain meds BUT 6.5 hours after they started that evil pitocin; I was only dilated to 3cm. (I thought it was 5cm until I spoke to my OB today.) That was also when they FINALLY discovered her in a Frank Breech (b___t first) position & sent me off to surgery. Well, now I'm due again 4/20 and have my 2nd C-section scheduled for 4/6/06. I have a huge fear of a VBAC. (I have a friend who almost died & almost had to have a hysterectomy after she tried a VBAC about 8 or 9 months ago. The first time she got to see her baby, he was three days old, in a NICU & had been flown hours away. Because of the severe brain damage he suffered, he had been lifelined to the nearest children’s hospital. The poor thing only lived for 15 days. It is heart breaking & sickening, considering he was completely healthy until her uterus ruptured.) I can’t risk that. I’m scared. Not for myself, for my baby. If I had had my first one v____ally, there is no way in hell I’d do this C-section thing again. I didn’t have a bad experience with my C-section, just few minor things. All I want to do is what’s best for this baby.

Oh.. <blush> guess I already told the story about my friend & her baby. Sorry about that. I should have read what I wrote first. I forget EVERYTHING. Can't blame it on pregnancy ... I do this c___p all the time. LOL

Not all doctors jump to a c-section. My second son was breech and the first doctor I saw said I would have to go right away for a c-section. However, I have Kaiser insurance and a Kaiser doctor has to approve everything that happens with their patients. He told me that I didn't need to go for a c-section right away. But by this time I had already prepared myself for the c-section. I dialated from 4 to 10 in about 20 minutes and the Kaiser doctor told me it would probably be safer for me to attempt a vaga___l birth so I spent the next 20 minutes or so pushing. My son was coming b___t first like he was folded in half then he put one leg down so they did end up doing a c-section because babies can't come that way. I just wanted you to know that not all doctors are quick to jump.

Hello All! I had my baby yesterday morning February 25th at 7:12 am!!!!! Matthew Cade was born a healthy 7 pounds 7 ounces (which was considered "big" for me) and was 19 1/2 inches long. His apgars were 8/9. I went in to labor Friday night at about 11 pm and by morning had a wonderful, relatively painless v____al birth!!!! At one point his heartrate went down right before pushing and they started that c-section talk and I said "whoa, let's see if I can at least push through a couple contractions." Well his HR went up and down with the pushes and then when I felt him slide under my bone his HR was fine again. I have a few st_tches, but ladies this is not bad at all. I had an anesthesiologist from Heaven and I never really felt more than pressure and a slight burning when he was crowning. I am so happy that I didn't need a c-section. This truly was really pretty easy for me. Funny thing is I am only 5'1 and weigh about 105 pounds when not pregnant. My doc did say if he had been any bigger or was face up that would have required more intervention but all is well that ends well. More soon, I need a nap and the nicest thing is I am already home and get to sleep in my own bed. If you get the chance, you really have to try it this way I loved my birth experience and feel very badly for those who don't get to have one like the one I just did. Thanks for all your replies.

it is strange but while i am very happy for colleen, it made me feel sad for me to read about such a perfect labor. did any other c-section moms feel like that or am i just too self absorbed?