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You just totally keep in character don't you? Each one of you rabid pro-c-sectioners are just the cruelest most militant women alive. It is ALL ABOUT YOU, ISN'T IT? Leave Jamie alone, she is a much preferred read to your vicious personal attacks and impatience with women WHO REALLY NEED SURGERY not just want to schedule one for their own muddy reasons. GO AHEAD JUMP ON ME, YOU DON'T BOTHER ME IN THE LEAST you pack of pitbulls. Re-read your posts and see how you treated her, you should be ashamed. I notice the pro-c/s people never jump on Marcie when she says her story over and over, and while I find that ok, she is wounded, you only allow her to try and work out her post-birth issues. You should be big about it and at least apologize for making your attacks so personal to Jamie.

I just don't see the point to all of her posts - marcie is showing the difference between the two, and jamie just keeps saying how didn't labor the way she wanted. The whole point of this thread, is just that women should be given a choice. Somehow we seem to have strayed.

Gina, I think you need to calm down. I never once said you couldn't have your elective c-section. If that's what you want, more power to you, and I hope it goes well. I don't consider 1 post, stating my experience, to be me "keep whining" etc. Yes, I do feel bitter that my body let me down; yes, I am hurting that I developed pre-eclampsia, had to be induced, and ultimately could not give birth to my child without medical intervention. Yes, I am upset that alternatives weren't attempted before I was cut. Yes, I am upset, and apprehensive, about the fight that awaits me in the future. Why is it that you are allowed to kick, scream and belittle others because you want to have a c-section, but I'm not allowed to state the fact that I'm praying for a VBAC? You can have as many c-sections as you want, it's your body. I'm certainly not going to say you shouldn't have a choice in how you give birth! I've been in labor, I've experienced it - I didn't even get to the hard part of the baby entering the birth ca___l, and I'll still tell you it was the most painful and physically strenuous thing I've ever experienced. Kudos to women who can do it without drugs, and I think we should bow down and worship our grandmothers! Mine gave birth to THIRTEEN children without any drugs! That woman is a god in my eyes, because there's no way I could do that. So, no, I don't blame ANYONE for not wanting to experience it. And, in all honesty, there are reasons that I would schedule a second c-section. My husband is in the military. If I have to schedule a c-section so he can be present for the birth of our child, I'll do it in a heartbeat. If my doctor tells me I'm not a good candidate for a VBAC, I'll listen. I don't see why you're wasting so much energy getting angry at me, when I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH YOU even though I had a different experience. You'd do much better arguing with someone who wants to take your choice away from you. I'm simply stating the SAME THING, from a different point of view. How she gives birth should ALWAYS be a woman's choice. That choice should only be taken away in life or death situations. You HAVE THE RIGHT to have an elective c-section. But, so many people miss the fact that insurance companies are dictating that women NOT be allowed to delivery v____ally! CORPORATIONS are taking that very right away, and no one seems to care, because everyone is too worked up over elective c-sections. Great, if you want a c-section, go for it! But please remember that there are those of us who want to go the other way, too. My c-section was fine...my physical scar healed well; I didn't have an infection afterwards. I have an emotional scar, not from the c-section itself, but because my body let me down - it failed to do the very thing nature designed it to do - my body failed to deliver a child naturally. That emotional scar is going to take a very long time to heal. But, I'm NOT whining about it, because I'd do it ALL over again in a heartbeat, because my daughter is worth every minute of pain and suffering I went through. The c-section did not hurt, and I did not suffer from it. I suffered from pre-eclampsia and hypertension; I suffered from seizures; I suffered from an ineffective epidural...but I feel no pain at the site of my incision. My c-section was successful. I regret that my doctor saw it as a necessity. I regret that at the time, I didn't think to ask for a different laboring position. Do I regret my daughter? Absolutely not. She's healthy and alive. If I hadn't had the c-section, that might not be the case. I'll never know - everything is a case of "if" - "IF" I hadn't been induced, "IF" I had labored differently, et cetera. It's natural and HUMAN to have regrets about things that didn't go exactly the way I wanted them to. I regret that I didn't get the birthing experience I wanted - and that regret means that I understand the importance of you getting the birthing experience YOU want. Because regret regarding one of the most joyful events of your life is a hard thing to live with, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I pray that you, and every woman, get exactly what you hope for - a healthy child, and a fulfilling delivery, whether it be v____al, c-section, medicated, unmedicated, in the water, on land, on your back, or even standing on your head - I pray that your delivery is exactly what you want it to be - because then your joy in your child won't be tarnished with the guilt of having regrets.

Ok Gina, yes, Marcie does compare and she is probably very sincere in her preferred method...however, when others who had (in Marcie's words) a "horrendous" c-section experience and a better v____al experience people get all renegade and rude and run them off...I know you have to have noticed that pattern, for surely it is there for all to see. In my life I am surrounded by medical professionals and you would be amazed at how often they have to undo the damage by patient choice (or patient insisted)procedures, but alas, while many women won't listen to their doctors when they say try a v____al, they suddenly trust them to perform surgery on them. Peculiar it is, people's risk a__sessments. If you wish to choose surgery, so be it, but to promote it to others is somewhat worrisome as no two women are alike and complications DO happen everyday which is regrettable, the more so if it was entirely preventable.