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I can not believe some of the warped minds out there. I don't believe those who have chosen not to vaccinate have not slowed the process of erradication and we are not by any means selfish. Did you know that even vaccinated your child still has a 50/50 chance of getting a disease in which he/she is vaccinated? And not because he/she will contract from an unvaccinated child. Did you also know that they link SIDS to the DPT shot? Here is some info you should read: A study published in the Journal of the American Medical a__sociation found that children diagnosed with asthma (a respiratory ailment not unlike SIDS) were five times more likely to have received the pertussis vaccine, than not to have received it.(1) Another study found that babies die at a rate eight times greater than normal within three days after getting a DPT shot.(2) The three primary doses of DPT are given at two months, four months, and six months. About 85 percent of SIDS cases occur at one through six months, with the peak incidence at age two to four months. In a recent scientific study of SIDS, episodes of apnea (cessation of breathing) and hypopnea (abnormally shallow breathing) were measured before and after DPT vaccinations. "Cotwatch" (a precise breathing monitor) was used, and the computer printouts it generated (in integrals of the weighted apnea-hypopnea density -- WAHD) were a___lyzed. The data clearly shows that vaccination caused an extraordinary increase in episodes where breathing either nearly ceased or stopped completely. These episodes continued for months following vaccinations. Dr. Viera Scheibner, the author of the study, concluded that "vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths."(3) And it doesn't stop there. So, you see us parents that have done our research are not selfish. We have done our research and have made an educated decision. Personally, pertussis is the least of my worries. I have no intentions on taking a newborn out to public places. Therefore, I am not worried about my baby getting pertussis. I plan to do as I did with my first child.

"...50/50 chance of getting a disease in which he/she is vaccinated?" --Please show me a link to that. That does not sound right. Also, I can throw a thousand statements containing stats back at you, showing all the risks you are taking by not vaccinating your child. I am wondering only one thing - what made you decide that not vaccinating your child was the lesser risk? How did you determine such? The general consenus amongst the most educated people on this earth is that vaccinations are less risky to the child than not vaccinating. I am wondering how you decided otherwise? Being a mother does not make me the best judge of my child's well-being, by the way. To ~ - you chose to engage yourself in this conversation, and I think it is only fair that you allow opinions to be expressed regarding this issue. I think for the most part, everyone is behaving politely. Very out of character for this board, I know:)

I don't think I said that anyone wasn't allowed their opinion. Maybe you could show where that is posted? As I have stated before I am perfectly neutral on your decision to vaccinate or not. However you seem to have a problem with the decision I have made. Quite frankly, that's your problem not mine. I have respectfully read all of these posts and not attacked anyone. I am sorry that you don't feel that you are qualified to decide what is best for your child. I have researched this for my child and I have made my decision based on what I have found.

I read an article 10 years ago in a Mothering magazine the spurred my curiosity on the whole subject. The concensus was if you are going to vaccinate they recommended waiting until the baby was at least 6 months. it was an interesting article. From there I started researching, asking doctors, naturalpathic and conventional for their take, looking at statistics. And my husband and his family were not vaccinated. His sister contracted pertussis as a baby, but she made it through. I believe people should do what they feel is best for their child. Whether to vaccinate or not, should not be something that one should be judged on. We all make our choices that we feel are best for our children on both sides of the debate. As for the 50/50 chance, I can not site that at the moment. i am not at home where I have all of my research material. I do remember that figure, it has always stuck because I as surprised to learn that.

I know you did your research, and that is what I find disturbing. The research clearly favors vaccinations, yet you do not, for some unknown reason. You still have not stated a reason that outweighs (statistically) the risks a__sociated with vaccines. The data is clear, really clear about the risks of a__sociated with these diseases and they are much worse than the risks of the vaccines. Sorry but that is how I feel. That said, I am off to take Aja for his Polio and hib vaccines at 3:30.

I am still wondering about your 50/50 claim? There is not even a 50/50 chance of catching those diseases without the vaccines.

Was that your shoe?

I was vaccinated as a baby, but for some reason, the rubella vaccine didn't take. I didn't find this out until i got pregnant and had routine blood tests. An unimmunized child comes by with rubella, and their parents don't care because they don't appear to be having any adverse side affects, but MY baby could go blind because of it. I have had to deal with this thought every day for the last 6 months, for the next three. THANKS.. not really! Rubella is becoming more and more common now because ignorant parents like yourselves (who think they are actually the educated ones) think that everyone does their part, so why should they. And to everyone who is afraid of the MMR vaccine causing autism.. there was ONE study showing the link between the two, which was widely critisized as having too small of a study group and poor health conditions. 10 out of 13 of the authors for the study retracted the article stating there was simply insufficient data to link thimerosal to autism. Furthurmore, larger scale, better funded, more controlled studies have been proformed in the last 8 years (since the initial study was published) and have found NO evidence whatsoever of a connection. If you people are actually doing research, you should be looking at information given more recently because your claims are BOGUS!

lol I guess it sucks to be you.

Hi Val, I just reread the posts and saw that you answered my ? about the 50/50 claim at the time I was posting. I missed it at the time, sorry. It is not true. That is an impossibility. Anyhow, if you find it, I am still curious to know the source.

or maybe it sucks to be ~ and vals children! its because of people like you that makes the rest of the world need to vaccinize their kids!

An unimmunized person is simply more likely than an immunized person to become infected with rubella IF they come into contact with the virus. Now your situation is interesting, although you have been immunzed your body failed to react, so essentially you are unimmunized and pose the same threat to others as you (wrongly) a__sume my child poses to you and your unborn child. I am not choosing not have my child immunized solely based on links to Autism nor did imply it anywhere. Maybe you could research other reasons as to why people choose not vaccinate. I believe then we will be able to have an intelligent discussion between two well informed people. I am including links to the CDC which contains data on state reported confirmed cases of rubella for the last 3 yrs. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5331a3.htm Additionally, I am including a link to Notifiable Diseases/Deaths in Selected Cities Weekly Information, current as of 7/30/05. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5430md.htm. You will have to check your state health department if you would like to know how many cases have been reported near you. It's generally broken down by county. If anyone knows if/how I can get a weekly report by county, please post the info.

I was also torn between if i should or shouldn't, but now my answere is very clear i will not allow my child to be immunized. It was just brought to my attention about the mercury and autism and now after almost a full day of studying and looking for answeres i have my answere. No i will not have my child vaccinated because it is not nescessary they are not needed for my child to survive. Nursing your child is the best vaccine he/she can have. Why have someone inject poisons into your child. It's not fair that alot of mothers and or fathers are not aware of this .

Carrie it is nice to see another post besides ~ and myself regarding this side of the debate. I have done a lot of research and still do to this day, I suggest you continue to do your research and find a naturalpathic physician to speak with also. How old is your baby?

I am just visiting. I am going to be in-depth researching what my child gets and doesn't! I am the oldest of 4 children. I got everything, by the book. I still ended up with German Measeles. My younger brother had a Gran Mal seisure after his MMR vacination which scared my parents to death. He also developed severe athsma and was on prednizone until my parents put him on Eniva - a very expensive vitamin/mineral complex. He hasn't been to the ER or on prednizone for the last four years now. The middle brother had scattered vacinations, the youngest, none. My youngest two brothers are some of the healthest young men I know. My state requires serology, which is a maternal blood test for syphilis and rubella antibodies, and a newborn eye treatment for gonorrhea! Also a neonatal screen for phyenklketouria, thyroid function, and glactosemia. I'm not so worried about the neonatal, but the other makes not sense to for me to put my child thru treatment for gonorrhea or myself to be tested for syphilis! Everyone has different risk factors - some need these things but I am very thankful in my state they can be waived. I married a homecoming king who somehow saved himself for me and I did the same. There is alot of peace in a history like that. I know I'm bound to offend but sometimes the government doesn't know best, nor docs.

carrie = the worlds biggest idiot hahaha! you probably did your research from a tabloid magazine.